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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Would he lose his "Cult" like statis in baseball? How would it affect values on all of his items? Would this give Pete the front track to get in as well? There is a little ole saying "If they are talking about you good or bad... That's good! When they stop talking about you, that BAD!" |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Dan Kravitz
His cards would go up in value. All of the HOF collectors would have to have one, and like you said... People would be talking. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: bijoem
I don't know that it would hurt his value, and probably would add to it... since the story doesn't really go away - just another chapter added. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: jay wolt
"But I would guess a bunch of people who collect joe jackson / blacksox would feel a little of the magic was lost if Joe's soul was cleansed by the HOF." |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: barrysloate
Jackson has always been viewed as this tragic figure, one who was possibly banished for something he only marginally particpated in. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: ramram
Pete Rose would start doing cartwheels. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Steve f
I'd rather he remain an outcast. (and Charlie Hussle) |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Dan Koteles
he is gone. The honor would have been best when he was alive.Anybody that loved the game that much and hit like he did and was well respected....uh, this should had already happened. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: George
He knew about the conspiracy to throw the World Series, and he told no one. He took $6,000 in cash, and he kept it. That shows how much he "loved the game." |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Bob
Like Buck Weaver |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: MVSNYC
cool question, but an easy one... |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Dan Koteles
he was a kid at heart, with a 2nd grade education. You could have probably given him a poop sandwich and told him it was a donut ! |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: B.C.Daniels
then they would have to let Pete Rose in! |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Dave
Not to detract from the Joe Jackson discussion, but I don't believe it is fair to put Rose and Jackson in the same catagory. Jackson was banned from baseball because at a minimum he knew that the World Series was being thrown by his team mates. Rose was banned because he bet on baseball (including the Reds) and repeatably lied about it. There has never been a serious accusation much less proof that he threw a game or was aware that a game was being thrown. I'm not Rose's appoligist, but betting on your own team to win is in no way the same as throwing the World Series. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Tommy Ernest
I do not believe that commissioner Landis had the authority to banned these 8 individuals. The reason why is two fold. First they where acquitted by the courts in 1921 and there was no commissioner at the time to rule on this scandle despite their confessions. What really happened is the owners got together with Mr. Landis and they decided to set a example with these players to avoid revenue lost at the ballpark and restore confidence back to the game. Gambling was a common thing back in those days playing baseball games. I do not think betting on the world series should place any higher standard than any other game. This is just like being tried twice for the same crime. I am sure the owners bet on there teams as well, but you never hear anything about that and you never will. Joe Jackson is way past due to be in the HOF. Forgive and forget everyone makes mistakes in there lives and wish they could go back to that time period and change things. We are all guilty of that so why hold him and others responsible. That is just like living in an prison without the possibility of being paroled for a baseball game. BIG DEAL, IT'S ONLY A GAME! |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: pat
if he were elected, i think naturally they would continue to climb in price, maybe just at a higher rate. the demand is incredible to begin with. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Steve
For one, I have no idea if Shoeless Joe actually played center field without his shoes in the majors. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Agreed that Rose and Jackson cannot possibly be put in the same light: one helped throw a WS, the other bet on games (and lied about it). Jackson will never be reinstated, period, and I think we all know that. That being said, his era was a different one in which gamblers were allowed much closer proximity to players than today. Tons of players were involved in fixing games. Tons of players bet on games. Baseball wasn't the money-making machine it is today and the public wasn't as up in arms about keeping it clean as they are today (just check attendance figures from the two eras). All that being said, I don't think Joe's cards pop very much (except in the short term) if he's allowed entry into the Hall. His cache, mystique is already at an all-time high, not to be exceeded. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Jeff O
Tommy, I think you're simplifying the situation too much. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Mark Evans
Some folks have suggested de-linking Hall of Fame eligibility from eligibility to participate in Major League Baseball. Thus, in Rose's case, one could argue that he belongs in the Hall for his accomplishments on the filed, but should remain banned from baseball because of the danger he continues to pose to the ethics of the game. I'm not sure where I come down on this issue but it strikes me as worthy of debate. Mark |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: jay wolt
"And as far as Joe taking money, he tried to go to Mr. Comiskey and tell him about the fix, but Charles was in on it too and stonewalled Joe." |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: T E
I don't know if he should be in the hall or not. Landis was a bigoted sob, as far as I know, but he did what bb needed at that moment. If you want to know what kind of straits bb was in at that moment, look to Ring Lardner. He reacted as America did. It was as if you (America) walked in and found the sweetie love-of-your-life in bed (and loving it!) with a real sleaze-ball (gambling's influence on day-to-day bb). |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: MVSNYC
"comisky was in on it too"... |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I think Comiskey has gotten the rap that he was a bad guy in this due to his shabby treatment of the players and skinflint ways -- which supposedly was one of the reasons the players threw the Series. My understanding, however, is that Comiseky was not in on the fix despite being tipped off at various points (apparently every person on the planet had heard rumblings about the Series being fixed). After the players were charged and the scheme came to light, Comiskey did all that he could to salvage his team -- and that meant attempting to have them cleared criminally, etc. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: MVSNYC
jeff- this too is exactly how i understand the story... |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: Eric B
You guys are being too easy on Rose. I agree he only bet on his team to win. If I was a bookie I would leave those games alone. But let me in on the times when he doesn't bet on his team. That's where you make your money. He may not put the reliever in to save him for the next game he was going to wager on as an example. |
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What would happen if Joe Jackson was elected into the HOF?
Posted By: fessgreg
i think joe jackson should be elected to HOF since the evidence and precedings back then were murky at best. if he was elected there would be renewed interest in him as a player and his cards would probably go up in price. signed greg |
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