Tatis Jr. - the first 50-50 player?

[packs]

He's a good player no doubt. I wouldn't call him a superstar though.

[Peter_Spaeth]

His career BA is .292 and OPS .945 (higher than God himself, Ronald Acuna who is 7 and 17 points lower). He's struggled a bit first month this year, but those numbers are none too shabby. Don't understand the earlier comment about not hitting for average. He's all of 22 no idea how he turns out yet.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

His career BA is .292 and OPS .945 (higher than God himself, Ronald Acuna who is 7 and 17 points lower). He's struggled a bit first month this year, but those numbers are none too shabby. Don't understand the earlier comment about not hitting for average. He's all of 22 no idea how he turns out yet.

Seriously. His career ABs add up to about one full season and in addition to his .292 BA he has hit 47 HRs and stolen 32 bases. You can count the number of 22 year olds with that kind of resume on your fingers. He also has 67 walks, which while not high is not really low either. It's probably even above average for someone his age. The errors are a concern but Tatis wouldn't be the first superstar who switched to another position after failing as a shortstop.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by howard38

Seriously. His career ABs add up to about one full season and in addition to his .292 BA he has hit 47 HRs and stolen 32 bases. You can count the number of 22 year olds with that kind of resume on your fingers. He also has 67 walks, which while not high is not really low either. It's probably even above average for someone his age. The errors are a concern but Tatis wouldn't be the first superstar who switched to another position after failing as a shortstop.

Mickey Mantle, for example.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mickey Mantle, for example.

...and Mr. Aaron.

Too bad they don't have some system where the players can refine their skills before getting to the show...hmmm.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mickey Mantle, for example.

Ryan Braun is another. He started at shortstop, and then moved to third base at Miami. He played third as a rookie, and was Rookie of the Year putting up a historically great season with the bat, while appearing utterly lost at third base. They moved him to left field, and that's where he should have stayed.

Come to think of it, Paul Molitor was also meant to play short, though I wouldn't say he failed at the position. Milwaukee just had another young superstar in the making occupying that spot on the field. So, they put him at third. One Hall of Famer playing next to another. God, I miss those days at County Stadium.

As for Mantle, yes, he was awful at short, but I wonder how his career would have turned out had they moved him to third instead of the outfield. If he stays in the infield, he never tears his knee in the '51 Series, and is relatively healthy going forward.

[SD]

5th fastest to 50 HR all time, makes unreal plays nightly, maybe one of the 10 fastest players in the league, but he no superstar?

Whens the last time you saw a runner tag up on a pop fly to the ss in shallow center and score? He has done it 3 times already. I get the team bias, hate for a player who isn't conventional or to the book. The bat flips and lack of varying about his opponents feelings rub some the other way. But he is the most entertaining player in baseball, hands down. That is why he is a superstar

[packs]

The most games he's played in a season is 84. That's why he's not a superstar yet. He could be one in time. But he's only played 171 total games. He's not on Acuna or Soto's level yet.

[Neal]

Tatis is absolutely a superstar. That status may or may not last.

[brett 75]

Greg Jeffries was a good major league player with a 14 year career. Anyone who sticks around in the show that long is doing something right. When he came up to the majors his cards where over hyped. Do you see anyone paying big money for his rookies now? Simple no. Tatis may have a great career as well but the price of his cards and the hype associated with them currently is not going to pan out. Bring the average up to .300 plus or he’s just another player regardless of his home runs.
Brett

[brett 75]

Mantle improved his stats in his first 3 seasons. Tatis has gone the opposite direction declining in all major categories. Still has time to turn it around as the season is just beginning. Here are some numbers for a 22-24 year old super star
30 HR .250 average, 27 HR .271 average , 22 HR .249 average, Pete Incaviglia. I’m offering his rookies at a discounted price if anyone is interested :

[chaddurbin]

^^^i'm sorry that tatis ran over your dog.