Does anyone use Pro Mold card holders?

[mr2686]

I wanted to start putting some of my better raw cards in holders and saw a couple of videos on the Pro Molds.
For those that use them, and I would have 1960s-1980's cards, would you recommend the 20pt, 35pt or the 55pt...this is just for standard cards. I was going to do the 35pt, but not sure if that would allow for me to also use a penny sleeve (I see that some people use them too). Should I go up to the 55pt or is that too big.
Thanks in advance, Mike.

[bobsbbcards]

[mr2686]

Bob, which size is that and are you using penny sleeves with them?

[jchcollins]

Hi Mike,

I spent what would probably amount to a small fortune last year in basically doing experiments with mag holders, both the Ultra-Pro One Touches, and Pro-Mold.

Yes, Pro-Mold are fine and they have a lot of good attributes. For the run of the mill 1960's - 80's card, 20 point regular size is fine. This to me was always a problem in some situations with the UP One Touch cases, because the smallest thickness they offer is 35 pt. While this works for most cards, in the late 60's and early 70's in particular, Topps used thinner cardboard stock - and many of those I have found will slide around some in the UP cases. It's really more a personal preference thing; I don't think those cards move enough in the holders to get damaged, but I have just found that some things work better in Pro-Mold.

If you are going to use penny sleeves with your holders, you can either do that with the regular PM 20 points, or with their new "sleeve" holder which comes sans the rails to keep the card in place, and just has a perfectly recessed area for a penny sleeve. I tried a few of these out about a month ago, and really like them. But you can still use penny sleeves also with the regular PM cases, you just have to take a bit more time positioning the card correctly around the rails so that they will hit on the outside area of the card on the penny sleeve once you close it up. Both of these provide a look not totally unlike the Beckett slabs with their inner sleeve, and of course if your goal is for the card not to move in the case, this is very helpful.

Just some tips from my experience, if they would be helpful - on the differences in the main 2 types of mag holders / cases -

*Ultra Pro "One Touch" - Comes in a variety of sizes to hold the thicker modern cards, but the smallest width is 35 point. UP works by basically having one half of the case be a "tray" into which the card is inserted in a very form fitting cutout. With UP 35's, you get more the feeling that you are lowering the card into a slot that was made for it, and the corner cutouts are very precise and have never given me a problem.

*Pro-Mold Mags - 20 point and up. In comparison to the UP cases, I always feel like the Pro-Molds operate more like a picture frame than a case with a deeper cutout. So when you put your card in aligned with the rails, they kind of sit on the same level instead of your card going down into a recess or something. I'm pretty sure this is purely a function of the 20 pt. instead of 35 being slightly shallower. I will say that with the "rail" system for Pro-Mold, I like their corner cutouts a little less, as the rails on the inside of the case are what form the cutouts, and while the cards don't generally move enough inside the cases to matter, the ends of the rails facing the cards are not tapered off at the ends (such as like what PSA does in their slabs...) and in theory anyway - could cause some damage to an edge near a corner if a card were to hit up against it hard where the rail ends and is sharp.

My advice to you when determining what you like would just see what your personal preferences are, and buy the ones you like the best. I will say that Pro-Mold has a much stronger magnet on their cases, which is a huge plus I suppose if you are prone to frequently dropping your cards. (I am more so than I used to be, apparently...) For my money going forward, I will probably order some more of the "penny sleeve" Pro-Mold recesses, as those are the simplest cases they make if your main goal is to ensure your card does not move / slide around egregiously inside the case. But each unto their own.

Good luck!
-John

[jchcollins]

PS - I forgot to mention typical factory defects. As with any plastic based product coming out of China that's supposed to be super clear, both types of these cases sometimes show up with problems:

Pro-Mold: Fisheyes. Sometimes the super clear plastic has a little (or larger) "fish eye" defect in the plastic which can be unsightly. Most of the time though in my experience this happens only on one side of the holder, so if you are not a super perfectionist, you can just put the back side of the card facing the defect. I've occasionally seen a PM case where both sides had this going on, but that would seem to happen a lot less often.

UP: I've never seen a "fisheye", but sometimes the plastic on these holders just looks dirty / grimy / glazed over as if it was not finished properly - and in many cases when you open up a holder like this it will not come off.

Just more info. Thanks.

[mr2686]

John,
Thank you so much for that great info. I honestly did not understand about the Pro mold w/sleeve having no rails. This seems to be perfect for what I'm looking for...at least for the "reg" cards I was talking about. Also, the stronger magnet seems to be a nice feature (just call me butterfingers). LOL
Thanks again,
Mike

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by mr2686

John,
Thank you so much for that great info. I honestly did not understand about the Pro mold w/sleeve having no rails. This seems to be perfect for what I'm looking for...at least for the "reg" cards I was talking about. Also, the stronger magnet seems to be a nice feature (just call me butterfingers). LOL
Thanks again,
Mike

You are quite welcome. Yeah I really like the PM 20 pt. "sleeve" with no rails, and just the recess for the sleeve. Here is the link to the product info:

https://www.promolddirect.com/tradin...ny-sleeve.html

I bought mine off eBay though, as I think the minimum order with PM directly is for 200 holders. I would love to have that many, but not paying for them all at once like that.

I use Ultra Pro and Pro Mold both. Like them both but Ultra Pro doesn't always offer all the size selections that Pro Mold does.

[mr2686]

Does anyone collect the Kelloggs cards from the 70's, and if so, what would be a good holder for them (they're smaller, right?)?

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Does anyone collect the Kelloggs cards from the 70's, and if so, what would be a good holder for them (they're smaller, right?)?

I don't think there is a specific mag for them, but they would fit in either UP or PM even if they moved around some. PM used to make screw (not mag) cases for a variety of sizes like '51 Bowman, T206, etc. So not sure if they did specifically for Kellogg's, if so you might be able to find them online.

[mr2686]

Thanks. I don't see anything specific to those cards. May just try the regular ones with a penny sleeve and see how they do.