Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

HUGE thanks to our friend Domer for making these incredible Pacific Coast League pennants available to me. The Venice Tigers date the group (two-thirds of the entire PCL) to 1913-15 and Marc has helped pinpoint to the same era from another non baseball pennant in this style. These are all 35” long.

They are already in their custom-fitted holders and up for display. If anyone somehow comes across either the LA Angels or Sacramento Solons from this series, kindly give me a holler.

So, those are real deal and not Biebesheimer repros?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Actually, I believe the pair dates to 1949. (Dodgers didn't win the pennant in '48.)

Interestingly enough, the Dodger companion pennant bears a copyright mark on it: "1949 H. Wohlke." The US Catalogue of Copyright Entries lists this mark as being associated with one Arthur Rand, presumably the artist responsible for the crossed bats and ball artwork. Unclear if the batter was included in the copyright.....

I haven't found much more on this Arthur Rand. "H. Wohlke" was Henry Wohlke, the apparent owner of the copyright. I suspect Henry Wohlke may have owned the company that made these pennants, but I have yet to confirm this.

Your research continues to blow my mind.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

So, those are real deal and not Biebesheimer repros?

They are real and they’re spectacular …

[MK]

Originally Posted by thetahat

they are real and they’re spectacular …

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[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Well...I think this pretty much confirms it.

Great info Kyle. Is it possible that Henry Wohlke worked for one of the pennant companies rather than having his own company?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

They are real and they’re spectacular …

Wow! I didn’t know Kyle was sitting on such a hoard.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Great info Kyle. Is it possible that Henry Wohlke worked for one of the pennant companies rather than having his own company?

Anything's possible. All we know is Henry Wohlke "claimed" (owned) the copyright. And, he's not credited as the artist.

He could have been the attorney that filed the copyright, on behalf of someone else? Most likely, he was some novelty operator that sold pennants in the New York City area.

What's really odd is that the copyright only appears on the Brooklyn pennant--and not the Yankees companion piece from the same '49 world series. Why?
It's the very same artwork!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

They are real and they’re spectacular …

And just like the PCL Pennants, they measure up at 35"

[scooter729]

I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

And just like the PCL Pennants, they measure up at 35"

Missing tassels though …

[MK]

Originally Posted by thetahat

missing tassels though …

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[MK]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

Fabulous display!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

Wow, Scott. Very impressive. Got any others to share?

[thetahat]

Recent acquisition. Is our resident Tigers collector here? I had never seen this before, have you?

Does not resemble any pennants from the companies we know.

[ser1979]

I've never seen this pennant before. The Tigers were good at using the same style Tiger and lettering across multiple pennants. I was unable to find a Tiger pennant that matches this style lettering or Tiger design.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ser1979

I've never seen this pennant before. The Tigers were good at using the same style Tiger and lettering across multiple pennants. I was unable to find a Tiger pennant that matches this style lettering or Tiger design.

Thanks … FYI it looks like it is very old but it feels more like 1950s.

[mikecala98]

Is this vintage, modern, fantasy? Only pic I have at this time.




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[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by mikecala98

Is this vintage, modern, fantasy? Only pic I have at this time.




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Looks like this one, but that edging seems odd to me.

[mikecala98]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Looks like this one, but that edging seems odd to me.

Great! Found it in the book now also. It appears brown but the book shows blue. Is that normal fading? The edges look to be added after then for display purposes.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by mikecala98

Great! Found it in the book now also. It appears brown but the book shows blue. Is that normal fading? The edges look to be added after then for display purposes.

Looks like it was made that way to me. And the brown is too brown to be from fading in my opinion. In what book can you see that the picture was blue? Egner's book is black and white.

[mikecala98]

The Apple Books version of his book is color.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by mikecala98

The Apple Books version of his book is color.

Cool...I didn't know that. In any event...It's a rare one. I haven't seen one before. Maybe someone here has.

[perezfan]

I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

[mikecala98]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

Will add pics shortly. I just went and bought it! Well loved but absolute beauty in person!!

[bocca001]

I've seen blue fade to brown in older pennants. I think Oooribay has a version of this for the NY Giants.

[mikecala98]

Love that it is a different material than most pennants. Really great aesthetic.

[bocca001]

Here is my best faded to brown pennant. I believe it started somewhere between blue and purple.

[Fballguy]

That's the most brown used to be blue pennant I've ever seen.

[mikecala98]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That's the most brown used to be blue pennant I've ever seen.

It almost looks like it was meant to be brown. The edge colors really pop in person.

And it feels like a potato sack.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I've seen blue fade to brown in older pennants. I think Oooribay has a version of this for the NY Giants.

a) I don’t think I do.

b) Made in ____ ?

c) get the iron out!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

Add it to your “Good Stuff I Used To Own” thread.

[Vintagedeputy]

New arrival. Seems like it’s taken forever to arrive. Paid more than I wanted to because people suck, lol.

Several references attribute the player to being Carl Hubbell, although unproven I guess. Fantastic condition with tassels intact. Egner’s book says it’s “Very Rare”. 3/4 size, 1930’s.

[bocca001]

Love this NY Giants design. Here is mine. For some reason, the black version of this pennant has a really wide spine. Most other versions tend to have an especially skinny spine, although I have seen a green with yellow version that also has this really thick spine. I missed out on a teal version of this pennant with red tassels a few years ago that was gorgeous. I simply forgot to bid (nobody remind ooo-ribay about this).

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Love this NY Giants design. Here is mine. For some reason, the black version of this pennant has a really wide spine. Most other versions tend to have an especially skinny spine, although I have seen a green with yellow version that also has this really thick spine. I missed out on a teal version of this pennant with red tassels a few years ago that was gorgeous. I simply forgot to bid (nobody remind ooo-ribay about this).

Yours looks to be in really nice shape! Vibrant colors!

[bocca001]

Thanks. Yours too.

I think I've also see a purple version.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks. Yours too.

I think I've also see a purple version.

Yep…

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yep…

That’s stellar! I’ve seen the two orange and black variations, but I wonder why they made purple?

[bocca001]

Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to team colors.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to teal colors.

Mini version, slightly different

[bocca001]

Mark- is your purple pennant full size? Or 3/4?

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to teal colors.

I attended my first major league game in 1961. As great as watching the actual game was, equally as thrilling for me was if we arrived early enough to check out the many vendors outside the ballpark. I was always allowed one souvenir and what a tough decision. Anyway, my point to all this is I have never believed pennant makers were ever worried about the team colors, but did want a variety of colors as children always have a favorite color. Never once did I think about team colors when deciding on a particular pennant. Of course I’m sure the makers also used what they had on hand, but always bought a variety of colors so as to please all kids. As I recall, all pennants had at least 4 or 5 different colors to choose from and never once was my decision based on a teams colors.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Mark- is your purple pennant full size? Or 3/4?

It is 3/4 size, just like the others. But unlike the purple pennant you recently posted, it's thick felt, as opposed to cloth.

Your purple pennant with orange tassels is the best example of that particular pennant I've seen. No fading whatsoever, and clean as a whistle. Not sure why, but that pennant is almost always found torn and tattered. Awesome find!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by MK

I attended my first major league game in 1961. As great as watching the actual game was, equally as thrilling for me was if we arrived early enough to check out the many vendors outside the ballpark. I was always allowed one souvenir and what a tough decision. Anyway, my point to all this is I have never believed pennant makers were ever worried about the team colors, but did want a variety of colors as children always have a favorite color. Never once did I think about team colors when deciding on a particular pennant. Of course I’m sure the makers also used what they had on hand, but always bought a variety of colors so as to please all kids. As I recall, all pennants had at least 4 or 5 different colors to choose from and never once was my decision based on a teams colors.

I could not agree more....

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

New acquisition from 1937. Has “Charles Shear” tag on back. Does anyone have the “sister” Yankees version? I think there are a couple.

I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Nice pennant.

[ser1979]

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

If you’re a team collector (and I think you are), you’ve gotta jump on stuff you’ve never seen, even if the condition is less than ideal. Great find!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

My favorite Tiger is the Slightly Disapproving Parent Tiger

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

Cool pennant. Not many dated pennants from the 1930s. Which raises a question. Why is it that there are so few identifiable pennants from the 1920s? Seems like there are many more from the teens than the decade that followed. It appears that it didn’t pick back up until the mid 30s.

Mark? Domer?