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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
A short time back one of our illustrious board members (Lee Behrens), asked how many collectors on the board had complete or near complete T206 sets. I thought that was a cool thread and I wanted to revisit it,only this time I want to know about N172's. So here it is: |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: jay behrens
Given that the card pulled from the OJ pack a few years back is unique, as I am sure several other players are, I highly doubt anyone has a complete set and would be very surprised if anyone is even with 10 cards of being complete. I'd say anyone that is within 25 cards of being complete is doing pretty darn good. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Judge Dred
Adam, do you mean the complete "known" player set? |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
Yes, "known" players set. Previously undiscovered or unique cards is one of banes of N172 collecting. I imagine it's even more so with Zeenuts , as new cards still pop up. I'm sure there are likely no complete player sets, but I'm guessing at least two or three people should be within 25-30 cards. I just wanted to get an idea of who was close. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: jay behrens
It may be that the Mansfield designation is unique then. Even if someone were to try and put together one card from each team it would be almost impossible. Getting one of the CA league cards would be a serious stumbling blaock for most people. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I think if someone tried to start from scratch right now they would have a real hard time trying to complete a known players set.They would need to buy a large collection from an established collector.Theres certain players who if their cards popped up would cause a bidding war into 5 figures,so if you wanted to try to get all of the know players it would cost well into 6 figures and alot of time. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe_G.
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Judge Dred
Joe, |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Don J
Don't forget the collector who now owns Trevor Hocking's old collection. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Richard Masson
I'm at 491 players and 1960 poses, hoping to outlive everyone else. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe G.
Richard Masson, I was going to list you and a few others with Jay Miller and Alan Sassoon but decided to let those who aren't very public about there collection/holdings remain so. I must say however that I didn't think you were that close to the "500 club", very impressive indeed. If you don't mind me asking, what is your goal? Are you aspiring to complete a player set?, pose set?, team variations? etc. Have you landed a California League card? |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Richard Masson
Unlike Jay, I consider the CA League cards not part of the set (mainly because I don't have any), so I would be complete at 502. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: warshawlaw
But here goes anyway: |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Jay Miller
I think we need to correct some of the numbers in this thread. The last Cartophilic Society lising had 512 different players. Since that time 14 have been added(Davin, Flynn, Fudger, Gibson, Hapeman, Levy, McDonald, Meegan, O'Day, O'Neill(Oakland), Powers, Stockwell, Sylvester and Veach). Six players previously thought to be different players are now thought to be repeats of other players in the set (Burns(KC)=Burns(Omaha), F.W. Foster=Forster, Healy=Healy, Kelly(manager)=Kelly(umpire), McCreachery=Deacon White, O'Neill(moustache)=O'Neil(no moustache)). That would place the total number of different players in the set at 520. There are 19 California League players which would put the total of non-California League players at 501. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: warshawlaw
Holy crap! I now knoe for sure that I will never catch this fever. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: identify7
Certainly not everyone who collects OJs aspires to complete the entire set. There are a number of popular subsets, and collectors often identify their own "set" objectives. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe_G.
520 different players / managers / umpires / mascots it is, I stand corrected. For those that follow SGCs N172 Registry, they have their own unique numbering system with several mistakes as follows: Missing from list, need to add: Leighton Gibson Harry O'Day John Weyhing Whitacre Need to Remove: McCreachery Skipped Numbers: 221 258 With all these corrections, SGC would show 520 N172 subjects. Regards, Joe Gonsowski |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: warshawlaw
Hamilton and Von der Ahe |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: jay behrens
I'm neck and neck with you Adam. Want to race to see who completes his n172 set last? :-p |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: warshawlaw
unless there is a radical shift in my finances... |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: J Levine
Even with limited finances you can still collect OJs. My Phillies OJ collection stands at 11 different players and 21 different poses. Granted, I doubt I will ever own a Delahanty but I hold out hope.... |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I notice alot of Old Judges are going to big collectors who have the money to buy as many as they want which eventually wont leave much for the others.I think the supply of them will dry up soon as more go into permanent collections then it will near impossible for someone on a budget to "collect" OJs.They might be able to put together meager collections but someone on a budget has a tough time getting anything significant. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Tom L.
Here's what is involved with collecting just one team... |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: J Levine
I only collect Phillie NL players--not PL or Athletics...even without those two other teams the Phillies have 32 different players with nearly 350 pose and caption variations. It is a daunting task to say the least. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe G.
Here is one example of how ridiculous an Old Judge collectors habits can become if you must have all variations, and this is just one example pulled from the offerings on Dave Levin's site. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: identify7
Looking at these five variations of the same pose, I have to wonder which is the most common and which is infrequently encountered. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Scott Forrest
...and just make your own set. One of our liveliest board debates was when I started making OJ reprint sets (oversized, etc.) - I stopped soon after nearly cutting off a finger during production, but still get occasional requests. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Paul
So, if you exclude the California League players, who are the toughest players to find in this set? Are there any with only one or two known? Again, I'm not talking about poses or team variations, just the toughest players when you take into account all of that player's N172 cards. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Julie
set feel about our OJs? I love all 27 or 28 of them. I love 19th century photographs (which is esentially what OJs are), I--was-collecting all the 19th century HOFers (till I had to sell my Ramly Burkett). If I never get another, I'll still be happy. I'd have to live to be 150 to get them all! |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe_G.
For those with interest, SGC has corrected it's Old Judge registry based on this thread. So if you want a complete listing of the 520 players/managers/umpires/mascots, their website can serve that purpose. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: john/z28jd
now sgc's power rating for OJs needs an overhaul,theres some tough cards that arent being given their proper due.Then again unless an expert in OJs does the rating for them then theyll never be exactly right |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Joe_G.
Agreed, SGC's Power Rating is pretty poor but I believe they are willing to update those as well. The California League cards are nearly split evenly between 1s & 12s for instance. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Preece1
Jay, |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Preece1
Jay, |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Chris B.
Preece, |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Paul
I asked the same question on June 30th (look above). |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: jay behrens
If you can get somone to tell you this, you got yourself a serious piece of hobby gold. This type of info isn't just handed out. Let along on a public board. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Paul
I find this all very interesting. It is no secret that the California League players are exceedingly rare, that the Anson in uniform is rare, and that Rusie with New York is rare. I believe Jay mentioned earlier in this same thread a particular player with just one or two known examples listing him with a particular team. This last one, especially, is an obscure bit of valuable information. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: jay behrens
Info about HOFers is a little easier to giure out as they change hands ona higher profile level in the major auctions, etc. So figuring out what is common and what is not is pretty easy to do. This type of info commons is little more difficult to figure out this way. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Chris B.
It doesnt help with scarce players necessarily, but if you can get a copy of the complete listing of OJ's which lists every pose and team designation(I think the old standard catalog used to list OJ's in this fashion), you can figure out the difficult teams and some poses fairly easily. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: warshawlaw
that this particular set engenders so much jealousy and pettiness that collectors will not share information on scarcities like they do with every other set I can think of, but when big $$ and obsessive collecting are at issue, I can see it. Like Chris Rock said, I don't condone it, but I do understand. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I dont think its jealousy as much as putting a higher value on a card before you can get it.I know some cards which are tough but if i tell everyone then thats basically me saying i dont want that card anymore because i dont make half as much money as most people on the board. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: barrysloate
John- You say that you don't want too many people to know which Old Judges are rare because it might be your only chance of winning one on ebay; however, there are already several people who know every rare Old Judge, and they will never let one go for less than the market value. So it's already too late, and you might as well let the cat out of the bag. What difference does it make if two people or ten people know; either way the chance of getting a bargain has disappeared. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: john/z28jd
Eventually when all the other collectors in the know get a certain player it will be my chance to win it wouldnt it Barry? Im obviously in my case not talking about the cards with only 1-5 known examples where the big boys are sitting around waiting for one to pop up. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: barrysloate
If you are talking about the slightly more difficult, yes, a little knowledge will help. But the rarities will always go for market value. The collectors who own them will protect their interests. |
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Complete or near-complete N172 player sets?
Posted By: Daniel Bretta
I learned a while back that you can't ask certain questions regarding OJ's on this forum. Which is too bad, but like Adam said I understand. I do take notice on ebay though when an non-hall of famer N172 goes for much more than one would expect. |
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