Ohtani: Do you remember

[Snapolit1]

Do you remember when certain board members would post that Ohtani
hype was all hot air based on some kind of misplaced “woke” or “politically correct” silliness. Yep, I do. Was just a lot of soft libs going out of their way to build up the foreigner guy. Those commie pinkos!!

[BobbyStrawberry]

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[drmiraculous]

I was blasted on reddit in like 2017 for saying Ohtani was going to be the best player on the planet. Need to go back there and find those threads and serve em a big cup of toldyaso!

[Casey2296]

Do you remember when members wouldn't buy Ty Cobb cards because he was "racist"? I do.

Racism is dumb whether it comes from the right or the left.

[G1911]

I have no memory of such a thread at all. Where's the link?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Do you remember when certain board members would post that Ohtani hype was all hot air based on some kind of misplaced “woke” or “politically correct” silliness. Yep, I do. Was just a lot of soft libs going out of their way to build up the foreigner guy. Those commie pinkos!!

Can you PLEASE link some of these threads that you keep bringing up about this? ETA: I learned something new today, self-deception.

[etsmith]

Looks like he upset the snowflake right wingers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeez. He just achieved a stratospheric milestone. Why the contentious thread?

[G1911]

So where’s the link? Why can’t anyone identify where this happened? Surely this isn’t made up political bullshit hijacking a great performance to twist into their agenda, so it should be simple to show.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by etsmith

Looks like he upset the snowflake right wingers.

You support these race baiting/politic bating type of posts?

Ohtani is having a historic season and is great for baseball, as a Giants fan I'm a little bitter he's a Dodger but that's baseball and he should be celebrated for his accomplishments.

OP's weak attempt at a gotcha/outrage post is what should be called out here no matter what your politics are, shouldn't be room for it on this sub.

[Lorewalker]

Someone seems to be super angry at the world these days. More than someone just pissing in his Cheerios too.

[Shoeless Moe]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

You support these race baiting/politic bating type of posts?

Ohtani is having a historic season and is great for baseball, as a Giants fan I'm a little bitter he's a Dodger but that's baseball and he should be celebrated for his accomplishments.

OP's weak attempt at a gotcha/outrage post is what should be called out here no matter what your politics are, shouldn't be room for it on this sub.

Agreed. It's gratuitous.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

You support these race baiting/politic bating type of posts?

Ohtani is having a historic season and is great for baseball, as a Giants fan I'm a little bitter he's a Dodger but that's baseball and he should be celebrated for his accomplishments.

OP's weak attempt at a gotcha/outrage post is what should be called out here no matter what your politics are, shouldn't be room for it on this sub.

I mean, if the claim is true, the post is fine. If people really did say such things, it's fair to throw the truth and Ohtani's wonderful season in their face a bit.

I eagerly away our leftist race pushers providing the receipts, as this is such an easy thing to prove on a forum with a public transcript and working search feature. Any minute now they will show it did actually happen and that this is a fair and honest account. I'm sure. They wouldn't make shit up like disgusting liars.

[Casey2296]

I find it fascinating that white liberal elites have the same attitude towards the GOP candidate that Southern whites had towards Martin Luther King. The parties have definitely switched IMHO.

[Cliff Bowman]

I have searched for these despicable comments made by a couple of uneducated science denying hayseed rube hick members to no avail, maybe someone else can find them and get them banned as they justly deserve.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=352423
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=349551
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=347560
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=337644

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I find it fascinating that white liberal elites have the same attitude towards the GOP candidate that Southern whites had towards Martin Luther King. The parties have definitely switched IMHO.

Didn't you just advocate leaving this stuff off the forum? Why go there? And what does it have to do with Ohtani?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I have searched for these despicable comments made by a couple of uneducated science denying hayseed rube hick members to no avail, maybe someone else can find them and get them banned as they justly deserve.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=352423
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=349551
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=347560
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=337644

A shame, I am excited to join them in condemning these white supremacists that nobody seems to be able to find for me to condemn.

This would be a really stupid thing to lie about, considering that everything said here is on a transcript record. I know our justice advocates really, really, really want there to be lots and lots of racism for them to virtue signal over and speak on behalf of all the non-white races, but surely they wouldn't just completely and transparently lie about it. It has to be here somewhere! Multiple board members said this, they say. It has to be true. There political agenda can not be such a crock of shit that they have to resort to lies to shove it into the board this week.

[SyrNy1960]

I get sick of these type posts. Left, Right, Up, Down; who cares! Talk baseball and baseball cards. That's what we all have in common and enjoy doing!

[Beercan collector]

I’d rather be punched in the face than listen to idiots attempt to discuss politics

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I’d rather be punched in the face than listen to idiots attempt to discuss politics

I couldn't agree more.

Here is the best anti talking political joke ever from one of my favorite comedians. NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBI3WDOeiLA

[JustinD]

Honestly I have been one of the fanboys since he was in Japan and was over the moon about him coming to MLB. Disappointed he wasn’t on my team, but definitely bought his cards.

I remember numerous discussions about the difficulty he would have facing injuries as a dual player, discussion about how his career may never recover after each injury and the normal overpaid for a dh yammering. All the normal pessimism I would expect in a thread basically about any player (except Judge, who is Jeter 2.0 on the he can do no wrong scale, lol).

However, I never once ever, even as the Ohtani defender…remember someone stating he was overhyped based on his race or “wokeness”. That’s new to me too. I’d like to see that thread as well.

I have been so happy to see quite literally my favorite current player do something that no one in history has done prior. It’s a shame to have it flipped into something to distract from that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

At 52/52 with 8 games left, he has an outside shot at 55/55. Ans since we need a card, I believe this is his first ever issue.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Baseball > politics. Especially on Net54

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Baseball > politics. Especially on Net54

Post #2 of this thread is this user sharing his politics and ignoring baseball.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by G1911

Post #2 of this thread is this user sharing his politics and ignoring baseball.

That post is not "sharing my politics". It's a joke about how these days anything someone doesn't like can be called "woke". If it's not funny to you, that's fine but don't call it something it's not. You just seem to be angry and worked up all the time about nothing

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I find it fascinating that white liberal elites have the same attitude towards the GOP candidate that Southern whites had towards Martin Luther King. The parties have definitely switched IMHO.

I'm really trying to stay out of this thread...and topics like this in general....but......C'mon Man! That's a pretty hilarious take. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up as an ironic post and move on with my life now.

Thanks for the chuckle.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That post is not "sharing my politics". It's a joke about how these days anything someone doesn't like can be called "woke". If it's not funny to you, that's fine but don't call it something it's not. You just seem to be angry and worked up all the time about nothing

I found it hilarious.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That post is not "sharing my politics". It's a joke about how these days anything someone doesn't like can be called "woke". If it's not funny to you, that's fine but don't call it something it's not. You just seem to be angry and worked up all the time about nothing

For what it's worth....and to be fair, I'm just a white liberal elitist who sells $5 cards on Ebay and bitches about my health care deductibles every time I go to a doctor...I thought it was hilarious.

It's become the most over-used, poorly used and abused, and least funny word in the English language these last few years. A crutch to get people foaming at the mouth over literally nothing, you could say.

Ah man.....I wish I could have stayed out of this.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That post is not "sharing my politics". It's a joke about how these days anything someone doesn't like can be called "woke". If it's not funny to you, that's fine but don't call it something it's not. You just seem to be angry and worked up all the time about nothing

It's pretty obviously your political perspective (and piggybacking on the subject of this thread that is a fantasy lie), which you share in these threads all the time. If you think politics shouldn't be here, then don't put it here yourself. It's pretty strange hypocrisy to try and have it both ways. Do you feel conservative political memes are not political because they are also jokes?

I must concede negative posting when people tell complete, absolute lies. Not a fan of lying.

[D. Bergin]

Back on topic.

Dudes at 52/52 now. Also I just noticed, he's only been caught stealing 4 times. That's incredible efficiency.

I'll be the first to admit, I've been skeptical of certain aspects of his game and health more times then I can count over the years.

Don't mind I've been proven wrong over and over.

Certainly running away with the MVP in the NL, even as a DH, and might have even contended in the AL against Judge and Witt with what he's doing. 3 real amazing offensive seasons going on at once.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At 52/52 with 8 games left, he has an outside shot at 55/55. Ans since we need a card, I believe this is his first ever issue.

That could be properly characterized as an outside shot. With what he’s done it’s also an outside shot that he gets to 55/55 tonight.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Back on topic.

Dudes at 52/52 now. Also I just noticed, he's only been caught stealing 4 times. That's incredible efficiency.

I'll be the first to admit, I've been skeptical of certain aspects of his game and health more times then I can count over the years.

Don't mind I've been proven wrong over and over.

Certainly running away with the MVP in the NL, even as a DH, and might have even contended in the AL against Judge and Witt with what he's doing. 3 real amazing offensive seasons going on at once.

It's baseball. For every Ohtani who sustains and even improves on his early excellence, there's another guy -- probably more than one -- who comes out of the gate headed straight for immortality, then implodes. We've listed these names many times. And sorry, but no, you can't tell the difference until it actually happens. All the countless dollars lost on rookie card speculating attests to that.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's baseball. For every Ohtani who sustains and even improves on his early excellence, there's another guy -- probably more than one -- who comes out of the gate headed straight for immortality, then implodes. We've listed these names many times. And sorry, but no, you can't tell the difference until it actually happens. All the countless dollars lost on rookie card speculating attests to that.

So true. I’’m one of those many who lost countless of dollars too.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Back on topic.

Dudes at 52/52 now. Also I just noticed, he's only been caught stealing 4 times. That's incredible efficiency.

Since I was a kid, I've always considered Babe Ruth the greatest baseball player because he was the best hitter and, in his day, the best left-handed pitcher. His won-lost record was 94-46, a .671 percentage. Granted, he was on a team that won 3 World Series from 1915-1918, but still, pretty impressive.

So here's Ohtani, who's average is far below Ruth's, but his power numbers, if he plays as long as the Babe did, may end up similar. Ohtani's pitching record is 38-19, a .667 percentage, entirely with the lowly Angels.

And, this year, so far, 52 steals and been caught just 4 times. In his career, Ruth had more caught stealing than steals.

Imagine Babe Ruth. A pitcher with a 2-1 win/loss ratio, who is also a huge power hitter. Now suppose he could also steal 50+ bases with a 90% efficiency.

Ohtani has a long way tyo go to be in Babe Ruth's league in terms of career accomplishments but will there ever be a baseball player with such an impressive 3-way skill set:

Hitting: Huge impact hitter with at least one 50+ HR season
Pitching: First-rate pitcher, with a .667 winning % for a poor team
Running: Incredible base stealer, both in terms of volume (50+ in a season) and efficiency.

I'd love to see the guy playing shortstop or center field, just to show he can quite literally do everything.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Since I was a kid, I've always considered Babe Ruth the greatest baseball player because he was the best hitter and, in his day, the best left-handed pitcher. His won-lost record was 94-46, a .671 percentage. Granted, he was on a team that won 3 World Series from 1915-1918, but still, pretty impressive.

So here's Ohtani, who's average is far below Ruth's, but his power numbers, if he plays as long as the Babe did, may end up similar. Ohtani's pitching record is 38-19, a .667 percentage, entirely with the lowly Angels.

And, this year, so far, 52 steals and been caught just 4 times. In his career, Ruth had more caught stealing than steals.

Imagine Babe Ruth. A pitcher with a 2-1 win/loss ratio, who is also a huge power hitter. Now suppose he could also steal 50+ bases with a 90% efficiency.

Ohtani has a long way tyo go to be in Babe Ruth's league in terms of career accomplishments but will there ever be a baseball player with such an impressive 3-way skill set:

Hitting: Huge impact hitter with at least one 50+ HR season
Pitching: First-rate pitcher, with a .667 winning % for a poor team
Running: Incredible base stealer, both in terms of volume (50+ in a season) and efficiency.

I'd love to see the guy playing shortstop or center field, just to show he can quite literally do everything.

According to baseball-reference.com, Ruth had 123 stolen bases and 116 caught stealing so not quite caught more than successful. Before this season, Ohtani was at 86 steals and 33 caught so still better than Ruth but nothing like what he's doing this year. It will be interesting to see what his stats are for steals next season if he's pitching again. I would expect the steals to go down to around what he has done before this year to help him conserve energy for the mound.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

According to baseball-reference.com, Ruth had 123 stolen bases and 116 caught stealing so not quite caught more than successful. Before this season, Ohtani was at 86 steals and 33 caught so still better than Ruth but nothing like what he's doing this year. It will be interesting to see what his stats are for steals next season if he's pitching again. I would expect the steals to go down to around what he has done before this year to help him conserve energy for the mound.

With a season like this the Dodgers would be insane IMO to let him pitch and risk another major injury. Go out and buy a #2/3 starter which is basically, if you look at all the stats, what Ohtani is. Way too risky with an elite bat like his.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jayshum

According to baseball-reference.com, Ruth had 123 stolen bases and 116 caught stealing so not quite caught more than successful. Before this season, Ohtani was at 86 steals and 33 caught so still better than Ruth but nothing like what he's doing this year. It will be interesting to see what his stats are for steals next season if he's pitching again. I would expect the steals to go down to around what he has done before this year to help him conserve energy for the mound.

I agree. No telling what his numbers will end up, but my point is, Ohtani has incredible athletic ability to hit, pitch, and run, which is a combination never before seen. It's like if Mays could also go 16-8 as a pitcher.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

With a season like this the Dodgers would be insane IMO to let him pitch and risk another major injury. Go out and buy a #2/3 starter which is basically, if you look at all the stats, what Ohtani is. Way too risky with an elite bat like his.

He is 100% going to pitch again. Roberts said there's chance he might even do it in the playoffs this year.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

He is 100% going to pitch again. Roberts said there's chance he might even do it in the playoffs this year.

He hasn't pitched in a year. He isn't going to pitch in the playoffs. If he does, it's incredibly stupid and a gimmick. He's an elite hitter, the best in the NL. Why would you want him to pitch at all or ever again when you're the wealthiest team in the league and can buy whoever you need?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He hasn't pitched in a year. He isn't going to pitch in the playoffs. If he does, it's incredibly stupid and a gimmick. He's an elite hitter, the best in the NL. Why would you want him to pitch at all or ever again when you're the wealthiest team in the league and can buy whoever you need?

I get your point and I can't really disagree with your logic, but as I understand it Ohtani wants to pitch and they're going to let him. I guess you could compare it to the Angels letting Trout continue to play CF even though it would be smarter to move him to a corner

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I get your point and I can't really disagree with your logic, but as I understand it Ohtani wants to pitch and they're going to let him. I guess you could compare it to the Angels letting Trout continue to play CF even though it would be smarter to move him to a corner

For the 70 million a year or whatever they are paying him, it isn't up to him to dictate.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At 52/52 with 8 games left, he has an outside shot at 55/55. Ans since we need a card, I believe this is his first ever issue.

Yes, and these particular cards seem to be moving right now...

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For the 70 million a year or whatever they are paying him, it isn't up to him to dictate.

Call me a cynic, but I think they will let him pitch so long as his performance continues the marketing bonanza for the Dodgers. The $700 million (future value) contract is looking like a great investment for the Dodgers. I don't think you get the same amount of buzz if you turn Ohtani into a right fielder and sign, say, Roki Sasaki!

With respect to Ohtani playing in the field, he has experience as an outfielder in Japan, and he has taken reps in the outfield with the Angels prior to the Ohtani rule coming into effect. More relevantly, I find it hard to see how someone that fast, strong and athletic -- with such documented commitment and work ethic (in contrast to, say, a CJ Abrams) -- not becoming at least a league-average corner outfielder over an off-season of targeted work.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bk400

Call me a cynic, but I think they will let him pitch so long as his performance continues the marketing bonanza for the Dodgers. The $700 million (future value) contract is looking like a great investment for the Dodgers. I don't think you get the same amount of buzz if you turn Ohtani into a right fielder and sign, say, Roki Sasaki!

With respect to Ohtani playing in the field, he has experience as an outfielder in Japan, and he has taken reps in the outfield with the Angels prior to the Ohtani rule coming into effect. More relevantly, I find it hard to see how someone that fast, strong and athletic -- with such documented commitment and work ethic (in contrast to, say, a CJ Abrams) -- not becoming at least a league-average corner outfielder over an off-season of targeted work.

Yes, it's impossible that he couldn't at minimum be an average left fielder.

To Peter's point though, if they don't want to let him pitch because of injury risk, they certainly wouldn't let him play left or right field. He gives solid production on the mound, but little value in the outfield.

[clydepepper]

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