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[Roland 49]

This is a photo of one of the times when Monte Irvin was at my house in 2004,

[Roland 49]

Hello Jason, now I saw the whole message you sent me about the 1893 manual, everything that appears very interesting, from what I read, you have a great collection, the book "The Nine Zeros in Cuba" by An Old Aficionado, 1878-1911 , you got it? "The Base Ball in Cuba" 1889 by Wenselao Galvez, "The Monarch and his Prowess" by Horacio Roqueta, 1920 from Babe Ruth's visit to Cuba in 1920, do you have them? In González Echevarria's comment he mentions Felix Julio Alfonso, this great friend of mine and author of several very important books on the history of baseball in Cuba, his specialty is the 19th century, two days ago he called me and today he will call me again. because you need some photos of Torriente, Mendez and Dihigo for a new book. Greetings Jason, I await your response.

[Jason19th]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Hello Jason, now I saw the whole message you sent me about the 1893 manual, everything that appears very interesting, from what I read, you have a great collection, the book "The Nine Zeros in Cuba" by An Old Aficionado, 1878-1911 , you got it? "The Base Ball in Cuba" 1889 by Wenselao Galvez, "The Monarch and his Prowess" by Horacio Roqueta, 1920 from Babe Ruth's visit to Cuba in 1920, do you have them? In González Echevarria's comment he mentions Felix Julio Alfonso, this great friend of mine and author of several very important books on the history of baseball in Cuba, his specialty is the 19th century, two days ago he called me and today he will call me again. because you need some photos of Torriente, Mendez and Dihigo for a new book. Greetings Jason, I await your response.

Rolando

I know of all three books but they are currently missing from my collection. I have only seen pictures of Galvez and “Nine Zeros.” I believe that both are among the rarest sports books in the world. There are probably less then ten copies of each.

Jason

[Roland 49]

Hi Travis, I send you a fragment of the postcard where you will see the Esquivel pictcher, notice that he has the same uniform and is almost in the same position as it appears on the card, I think that all the players of that 1920 champion team will They made cards and others of the rest, also to professionals in that year, but we have to wait to see if in the future we can see something else, when you read this message let me know, greetings

[Roland 49]

Butch, now you will see a card game of Romeo Cigars, they are very rare.

[Roland 49]

Paul, you tell me that you know a Foster in the complete sheet and that you know someone who has one, do you ask me if there are 2? As I explained, they sent me that photo of the 2014 forum, so that I could identify some cards, and I replied, that photo was taken when they brought me the Romeo and Juliet cards and I had them on my work table, which I do from time to time, I put the cards on the table so that they receive air, the same I do with the albums to avoid the moths that are the ones that open the holes in the paper, books, etc. My answer to your question is that I do not know how many Fosters exist in the different collections, that is a very rare card, perhaps no more than 4 or 5 are known, Greetings.

[paul]

Thank you. I am glad to hear that there may be as many as 4 or 5 Foster cards. It gives me hope that I might someday find one for sale.

[Roland 49]

Richard, can you send me a picture and ask me who is it? I will tell you that the one that appears in the photo is the great Zulueta known as "Bicycle". He was one of the most important characters in a baseball game. In case you don't know, I will inform you that Zulueta was in charge of collecting the balls that were hit "foul" Richard up to here, what I mentioned is a nice note towards the bicycle, now the reality, Zulueta was a character from the La Tropical stadium He was the one who collected the foul balls, but due to his fatness he ran behind the balls and the public who attended to see the games made fun and laughed when they saw him run, I knew him personally and on one occasion we greeted each other , his specialty was chasing the balls when they hit the net behind the plate, then he waited for them, and all the public attending the game looked at him, if he dropped the ball they would all yell at him and whistle at him, if he caught the ball then they applauded him , every 10 foul, 9 fell, Zulueta was a show, already when he was older he got more fat and walked with a limp, but the whole public was fond of him, now you will see a photo of Zulueta in 1951-52, in that photo that is fractional as it appears in Volume 2 of my catalogs complete, you see Zulueta on the field, the one you see with a white shirt is Martin Dihigo, and Zulueta listens to him very attentively next to him is "Pajaro Cabrera", greetings.

[richardcards]

Thank you
for giving this information.
I appreciate your help.
Thanks

[Roland 49]

They asked me by mail to show some memorabilia things, now they will see the complete set in two different sizes of figures of the 4 teams in ceramic.

[Roland 49]

Hello Jason, due to the publication of Babe Ruth's book from 1920, I will give you some information, in which interviews appear, Babe talks about his childhood when he was orphaned at 7 years old, when he was interned in an asylum, he describes many things, too Opinions about Babe appear, by Ty Cobb and many of the celebrities of that time until 1920, it is a very interesting book and at the same time a rarity, in the many years that I have been a collector I have only seen 2 copies, now I send you photos If you want, I'll send you more photos and I'll keep telling you. Are you interested? Regards.

[Roland 49]

Jason, there are also articles in magazines and newspapers in the USA that mention Ruth's visit to the island, and the great organizer of this visit Abel Linares, for his part Babe replies in a letter that he is eager to get to Cuba and comments on it. enthusiasm of the Cubans, the book also shows photos, there is a photo that is the Ruthermometer, a thermometer, it is a very interesting book, now you have a photo of the book Los 9 Ceros en Cuba y El Monarca, if you want I'll continue.

[Jason19th]

Those books are beyond incredible. I would appreciate any photo’s you are willing to share from your amazing collection

[Roland 49]

Jason now gives you a photo of something that I think you have not seen, the letter that Babe sends to Abel Linares accepting his visit. Greetings.

[Jason19th]

That’s fantastic. Here is a great early picture of Linares from the 1906 Cuban Edition of the Spaulding Guide

[Roland 49]

Jason, now you have the photos of the book by Wenceslao Galvez from 1889 and Los Sports y la Higiene from 1887, do you have the book "Baseball in Cuba and America" ​​from 1908? Regards.

[Jason19th]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Jason, now you have the photos of the book by Wenceslao Galvez from 1889 and Los Sports y la Higiene from 1887, do you have the book "Baseball in Cuba and America" ​​from 1908? Regards.

I do have Baseball in Cuba and America and believe it is one of the most interesting Cuban baseball books. The range of topics in the book is incredible, as it talks about early history, foreign tours and even the integration of Cuban baseball

[Roland 49]

Jason, I agree with you about how interesting this book is, I have seen very few copies, I have been told that a few years ago it was reprinted, you know something? I'm going to send you a photo of mine from 1908, it's new. Since you have a good collection, I ask you the following from the Cuban baseball magazines of the 1880s, "El Club, El Catcher, La Pelota, El Pelotero en la Habana, El Strike, etc. Do you know or do you have any? Greetings.

[Roland 49]

Hello, in the photo we see 2 Lloyd cards, from the 2nd series of "Aguilitas" the one on the right has a printing error, many years ago it was mine and I put it in one of my albums above the card next to the Lloyd who is stuck, that is, above Oscar Charleston with the idea of ​​comparing the good one with the one that has a printing error, perhaps one of this thread currently has it. Yes or no?

[Roland 49]

Hello, they asked me if they wanted to see the photo of Ty Cobb in the "Tabacos Larrañaga" factory in Havana in 1910, I show them a fragment of the photo.

[Roland 49]

Responding, days ago when I showed the 2 Lloyd cards, I did it to show a printing error, but at no time did I express that I had pasted it on the Charleston card, I put it above for a photo, you understood something else, now you There are photos of the album as they are pasted and the one from the other day.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you some loose cards I see the 2 different Lloyd's Charleston and I send you the hit in the album again, the 2 Charleston note that the release is less centered than the album.

[Roland 49]

Jason, show me two very interesting issues, they are very rare, in the 80s a large number of weeklies were published, the most interesting and most important was according to Wenceslao Galvez in his 1889 book, the weekly El Sport, now I am sending you a Year 1 photo # 1, dated October 6, 1885.

[Roland 49]

Now you will see Monte Irvin in my house, in one of his visits in 2004, seeing some of his postcards and the album of the collection "El Indio" he did not know them.

[Roland 49]

Hello, now I show you a photo of the player Ernesto Morillas in my house, with a color photo signed by all the Cienfuegos players in 1949, in which Morillas appears as a member of the team, he also played in Havana, the International League from Florida, etc, he was a great friend of mine, and on several occasions he visited me and we talked about the time when he was a player, for my part I always asked him questions and told me baseball anecdotes in those years, several years ago Morillas he died in Havana.

[Roland 49]

Now I answer questions that they asked me in my email and they want me to answer them through this thread. Yes, the pictcher "Ernesto Morillas" has several cards in the Cuban collections, they all appear in my catalog, Montiel 46-47, Los Campeones HC 1948, Victoria Collections, O. Diaz 1949, "Acebo", some of great rarity, now you will see the rarest, Ort. Diaz, and H.C. 1948, do any of those who see this thread have them? Very rare.

[Roland 49]

Hello Jeff, in your message you tell me about the book of tobacco rings, that is the theme of the "Vitolfilia", which covers everything related to the wrappers of the cigars and their boxes, that is a topic that I know well, at the end From the 1980s and early 90s, my research appeared in the specialized magazine in Spain, it covers many topics, now I need you to give me a detailed explanation of what you are interested in knowing, I now send you several images, of cigarette marquullas 1865 and 1866 with the August almanac of that year, and a baseball theme ring with the face of Cuban pitcher Pedro Ramos, when you read this message you let me know. Greetings.

[Roland 49]

Now I see some messages in the thread !!! Mendez, Padron !!! I will answer when I get home, but I will end with "Ernesto Morillas". Previously, I showed the rare cards, now the most common ones go.

[Roland 49]

Al, I congratulate you for the wonderful cards you have shown and for their almost perfect state of conservation, it is rare to see them like this !!! Mendez, Padron Charleston and Chino Moran !!! Now I send some photos of complete but fractioned teams with Mulo Padron, in 1913 and 1914, and the first registration mark of "Punch" around 1850, that sheet was from an exhibition in which I participated about that Factory more than 10 years. Greetings.

[Roland 49]

Hello, now I will show you a printing error in Fermin Guerra's card from the "Fosforos Aceb" collection. Notice that you can see part of Don Thompson's card, it is a rarity.

[Roland 49]

Now I show 2 photos of Monte Irvin in another of his visits to my house in 2004, in one he is seen signing a Magazine "Photos" that his photo appears on the cover, in the other with Belinda Manning, the daughter of Max Manning, watching photos of his father when he played in Cuba.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you from the collection "Cigars Cabañas 1909" the original box where the cards came, made in "Pan de Oro" and were printed on lithographic stone, which was used at that time, and 3 cards, one for each team.

[Jason19th]

Noting that this thread has now been viewed almost 5000 times, I think it is important to note The extreme rarity of the cards Rolando has shown us. There are probably ten cards/postcards in this thread that are more scarce then a Honus t206. I think a fair comparison would be a t206. Ty Cobb with a Ty Cobb back. The Punch cards for example probably have under 10 examples each. I think there is a perception that once Cuba opens up there will be a flood of these cards into the US market. Rolando is telling us that this is not true, that these cards are rare in Cuba. He is the only one who has these. It’s not like there are a whole bunch of collectors with similar collections. Monte Irvin doesn’t come to your house if there are 20 other guys who have the same cards. Just to illustrate my point REA has an auction that opened today with 3000 lots, tens of thousands of cards and photos. There are four Cuban cards, one auto and one photo.

[Roland 49]

Jason, you're right, another time I'll give you an explanation of everything, now I'm going to show you some of the rarest cards I know, rarer than Cabañas or Billiken or "Punch" are the 1922 Romeo y Julieta Cigar cards, one from Almendares and an amateur, they appear in my specialized catalog, some in this thread have them.

[Roland 49]

Hello Scott, now I see your message, you say that those Romeo and Juliet cards have been a constant strong debate, remember that I am new to net54, but I would like and appreciate if you explain me about this topic, I like to learn . I await your response, thank you very much Scott.

[Roland 49]

Hello, you send me this photo that appeared in the 2014 thread, of the Romeo and Juliet cards, that photo is from the day that the cards I mentioned earlier were brought to my house, and those cards were in my office and they photographed them and They put them in the thread, your question is that you do not know the following cards: Adolfo Luque's belongs to the rarest collection of all, "Gener Cigars 1925", Martin Dihigo's, is from "Campo Alegre 1946", very rare as well. below the latter are Mallorquinas by Lloyd and Willie Foster 1928, all appear in my catalog, the other photo is from the album "Aguilitas 2da serie Artistica" complete with the 900 letters.

[Roland 49]

Hello, Richard, you asked me about the Victoria Collections how the sweets were distributed, look at that collection was not of sweets of any kind, many of the Cuban card collections were, some of them of cigarettes, chocolates, candies, cookies etc. When I was a boy I remember that we met a group and bought the Topp cards, and had the collections of the 50s of baseball players, El Zorro, Elvis Plesley, Dave Croket, etc. I completed some of them, but in 1959 it was the last year those cards were sold in Cuba, as for the Cuban cards I had and have some albums, and I remember that the cards came inside a closed paper that their value was 1 or 2 cents, the repeated ones we boys exchanged between us, and many times we played cards, we shuffled them and the one who took the highest number beat the others. Greetings.

[Scocs]

Roland,

So are you saying the 1952-53 Victorias were sold in packs like Topps cards and were not inserts in food or tobacco?

Thanks,
Scott

[paul]

Roland, that photo of those cards is amazing. I see the Willie Foster. I've never previously seen one, except on the uncut sheet. I know that one collector who is a Member of this forum owns one. Is that the same copy in your picture? Or are there two different copies?

Paul

[richardcards]

Thank you for your response.
This is very nice of you to offer information
on cuban baseball cards.
Im intrested in learning more.
Best Regards

[Roland 49]

Travis, you sent me the photo of Carlos Royer from the Romeo y Julieta collection, all those cards I had in my hands and I scanned them in 2014 when they appeared, at 4 o'clock on the almendarea you have one, Pedroso's was bought by a good friend mine who lives in Miami, although I do not know if he still has it and I have the other two, those are the 4 known ones are a rarity, years ago I did research and draw my conclusions, which I will explain to you little by little, what if It is true that they are original and were printed in 1922 for the Romeo and Juliet Sports album, which had a boxing section and a baseball section, as I have seen it was prepared for a large number of baseball cards, that collection was prepared for It was released in 1911, maybe it was released or maybe not, because they were waiting for the printing of the album, which for reasons that I do not know, did not come out at that time, Pedroso's card by mistake says 1915, but it is from 1911, since it has the number of games played 191 1, there are interesting things that I investigated in La Compañía Litografica de La Habana, which was the one that printed everything related to the Tobacco Factories, now I took a photo of the album and I put cards from the 1922 series on top, in a while I am going to take other photos and I will continue the explanation, you will have a photo of the scan I did in 2014 with the 4 cards and another with some in the album, if you can when you see this message, let me know. Greetings.

[Roland 49]

Now you will see some images that I show for a question that they asked me why do the cards "Punch and Romeo and Juliet have the same portrait? This is a long explanation but I show you some images from my collection and I will tell you something about my research in The 80s when I collected tobacco rings before collecting baseball, I met the oldest workers in the Lithographic Company of Havana and I saw the files and samples that were shown to the clients and from there they chose the photos and the rings, those Rings with the faces of the Kings, were made for the different brands of tobacco that they sold to the Royal Houses and in the Palace, the King gave them to his visitors, in the baseball cards the same, in the samples and files they were for that the manufacturers chose, that is why the Romeo and Juliet say 1911, perhaps the series was printed but no copy is known or it was not printed, but being in the archives they decided to print go it in 1922.

[Roland 49]

Hello, if there are many fakes, the first I saw were the Billiken, at the beginning of the 90s, they were followed by the Nationals, La Cotorra Mineral Water, Polar Beer, some photos of the players of the Programs of the 59s, behind They gave him Aguilitas 2nd Artistic Series, lamentably absurd things were done to cheat and look for a few pesos, but some people fell into the trap, there is more, now there is the photo of the first Billiken that were falsified and others in a larger size also false.

[Roland 49]

They asked me to publish the photo of the Cienfuegos Start 1920 team. Satisfied?

[Roland 49]

Franco, you tell me you are interested in collecting Cuban cards, but you are worried about counterfeits, those began in the late 80s and 90s, and some in the early 2000s, many years ago none have appeared, apparently they were made of all One or two games to try, in the United States, there are very good collectors with great knowledge of Cuban cards and they can guide you, if I have touched on this topic it is for those who start so that they do not buy anything doubtful, but I think that if it is your idea You must follow it, since in the Cuban cards you will find very important cards, mainly from Negro Leagues players, greetings.

[Roland 49]

Hi Jason, I saw the newspaper clippings and my desire is to help as much as I can, but I need you to give me more information on what you have in that album, I'll explain the following to you, in the 40s and 50s they played in Cuba between 300 and 400 teams distributed in different leagues: 4 professionals, several Amateur leagues and several Semi - Pro leagues, in the latter, the Popular League, the Sugar League, the Pedro Betancourt League, the O. Divino League, and some more, some teams played alone one or two years, try to look to see if the year and other data appear, that Independent League may have been in the Semi-Pro, but of all these leagues there is little information but when you give me more data, I will continue looking, greetings

[Roland 49]

Richard, from the Carteles Magazine there are many images, there is also a collection of amateur players from the 40s, I will look for you more, now you have a Posters with the cover of Mike González, a Gente magazine with Adolfo Luque, and a Champion Magazine with M. Mantle, when you see them tell me if you have them.

[richardcards]

I have this Gente
but not the Carteles M.Gonzalez
only the Paito Herrera.
Some told me about the Miguel G
Carteles have been looking for one
a very long time.


Thanks Richard

[Roland 49]

Al, now I see that the image of Dandridge's card did not come out, now they are both, and part of a scan of all the "Punch" of the Almendares that appears in my catalog, those of O. Diaz do you have them?

[Roland 49]

Richard, I answer, from the collection of Matches "The Author" I do not know the amount, but I have more than 40 cards, each box of matches had 2, one in front and one in the back, I send you two for you to see, From the "Mejoral" collection, as you can see, the photos were in the booklet and they opened in the shape of an accordion, I have 3 complete booklets, but I have never seen the one from Cienfuegos, perhaps it was not printed, but I think so, if any that you see this thread has it please let me know.