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Old 01-08-2021, 10:08 AM
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I am not a professional card grader. But having said that, I've done pretty well in estimating what a card will grade at PSA. The most that my "guestimate" has been off was by 2 grades.

So this one has me baffled.

I recently purchased a 1963 Post Cereal Sandy Koufax - PSA 3. I think that the card is significantly under-graded. In my opinion, I think that this card should grade at a PSA 7 or 8.

The file size of the scan is too large to include with this post, so I've created a temporary page within my ImageEvent site for the scans (link below). If you click on the image, you can enlarge it.

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I've also included a scan of my 1963 Post Cereal Gil Hodges - PSA 9, which I feel is comparable. I realize that this card was graded a few years ago, so that by PSA's standards today; it would probably grade at a PSA 7 or 8.

And yes, we've all heard the phrase, "Buy the card, not the holder.", but the fact that I'm probably missing something here is driving me nuts.

What am I missing here? What are your thoughts?
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Old 01-08-2021, 10:22 AM
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That is a good looking 3. Can I see the back?
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Old 01-08-2021, 11:07 AM
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Default Trying to figure out PSA grading

is truly an exercise in futility! The only thing I can say - is I sometimes am shocked at a card getting a better grade than I thought it should albeit much less often then one receiving a lower grade than I thought it should. So there is some degree of consistency to their inconsistency.
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Old 01-08-2021, 04:16 PM
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That is a good looking 3. Can I see the back?


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Was the paper front partially peeling off the cardboard back?
Is that a crease at the top of the back? Could just be a reflection from the holder or off the mylar baggie.

Most likely, PSA found some spider wrinkles/creasing.
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I feel I’m a pretty decent eye grader as well. I sent in a ‘78 Keith Hernandez anticipating a 10. It was PERFECT. It came back as a 4. I can see no wrinkle/etc so I have no idea. So your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:21 PM
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If you submit for a Review submission, they normally either upgrade the card or mark where the damage is that they noticed.
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I have broken a card out before that I bought graded only to find out that there was a tiny wrinkle on the card that you couldn't see with it in the PSA holder. Not saying there is one but that could be why because I agree with you it looks way better and a tiny wrinkle on a nice card usually drops it to a 3.
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Was the paper front partially peeling off the cardboard back?
Is that a crease at the top of the back? Could just be a reflection from the holder or off the mylar baggie.



Most likely, PSA found some spider wrinkles/creasing.
The paper is not peeling, and there are no creases/wrinkles (that I can see).
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If you submit for a Review submission, they normally either upgrade the card or mark where the damage is that they noticed.

I was thinking about doing this.

Let's assume the best case scenario and PSA agrees that the card is under-graded. They might bump it up a grade or possibly two. To bump it up any more than that would be an admission that they REALLY screwed up. I don't think that the culture of arrogance at PSA would allow them to give the card a significant bump up (to say, a 7 or 8). But I could be wrong.

Has anyone ever re-submitted a card for review and received a significant (4 grades or higher) bump up?
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You could try to email them concerning it being a mechanical error. PSA does give or type in the wrong grade rarely. They just did it with two off-centered Joe Montana rookies they gave 10s. Or you crack out and submit raw again.
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