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Old 01-08-2021, 04:42 PM
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Default Forged Counterfeit Sandy Koufax

I sent to a message to Ebay seller Showpiecessports informing them, that their Sandy Koufax "2000 UP SP Authentic" card is one of the forged/counterfeit versions, but I have not heard back and the listing is still active.

If anyone here knows them, maybe they can convince them to take it down.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114616780566?ul_noapp=true


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Old 01-08-2021, 08:24 PM
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This is the first I've heard of counterfeit versions of this card. What are the tells? I'll have to take a close look at the one I own...
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Old 01-08-2021, 08:37 PM
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Old 01-09-2021, 06:49 AM
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This is the first I've heard of counterfeit versions of this card. What are the tells? I'll have to take a close look at the one I own...
There are forged/counterfeit versions of the following cards:

Derek Jeter "1995 Upper Deck"

Sandy Koufax "2000 UD SP Authentic"

Kobe Bryant "2000-01 UP Ovation"

Willie Mays "2003 Topps Legends"

Willie Mays "1996-97 Topps"

Johnny Unitas "2001 Upper Deck Legends"

Bart Starr "2001 Upper Deck Legends"

There are others.
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Old 01-09-2021, 06:50 AM
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This is the first I've heard of counterfeit versions of this card. What are the tells? I'll have to take a close look at the one I own...
Post a photo of it here.

Below is a link to my first blog on the Koufax

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...ogPost:1337379
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:54 AM
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Great write up, thanks Christopher. I always appreciate your passion and expertise.
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Old 01-09-2021, 08:02 AM
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Great write up, thanks Christopher. I always appreciate your passion and expertise.
Thank you, Jarrod.

I don't post much these days, or comment, as I am tired of it all, but these forged/counterfeit cards really piss me off.

On the day Kobe Bryant was killed, two sellers from NJ sold over 50 forged/counterfeit Kobe Bryant "2000-01 UP Ovation" cards in eight hours after he was killed in that accident.

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...ment%3A1433403

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Old 01-09-2021, 08:34 AM
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This is the first I've heard of counterfeit versions of this card. What are the tells? I'll have to take a close look at the one I own...
If you don't know autographs, the "tell" on this card is the reverse.

Below is a photo of a the back of the card.

The "Sandy Koufax" should be close to the inside border of the card.

The counterfeit versions are all miss-cut and have chipping issues.


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Old 01-09-2021, 08:39 AM
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Thanks for posting this. I wonder how hard somebody studies a card like this before they buy it.
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Thanks for posting this. I wonder how hard somebody studies a card like this before they buy it.
The genius of these cards, is that the COA is embedded on the card (Topps, Upper Deck, etc).

I know seasoned collectors who have been fooled by these forged/counterfeit versions because the autograph isn't given a second look; it's assumed it's authentic.

PSA has screwed up on a few of these these.

Below is a photo showing where PSA graded a counterfeit Koufax.

Note that they didn't authenticate the autograph; they only graded the card.

But that in itself fools buyers; buyers assume because the card is slabbed by PSA, that they also certed it.


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Old 01-09-2021, 12:17 PM
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The genius of these cards, is that the COA is embedded on the card (Topps, Upper Deck, etc).

I know seasoned collectors who have been fooled by these forged/counterfeit versions because the autograph isn't given a second look; it's assumed it's authentic.

PSA has screwed up on a few of these these.

Below is a photo showing where PSA graded a counterfeit Koufax.

Note that they didn't authenticate the autograph; they only graded the card.

But that in itself fools buyers; buyers assume because the card is slabbed by PSA, that they also certed it.


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I have wondered sometimes looking at some of the 2003-04 UD Legendary Signature cards.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:51 PM
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I have wondered sometimes looking at some of the 2003-04 UD Legendary Signature cards.
Yes, I forget what year it was, but I believe Upper Deck bypassed the 3rd-Party authenticator on some of those cuts and they got burned.

I was one of them; Upper Deck had to eventually send me another Connie Mack cut, and it took them six months.
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Old 01-09-2021, 05:14 PM
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It sure is, Scott.
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Old 01-10-2021, 11:21 AM
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Default Forged/Counterfeit Willie Mays 2003 Topps Legends

Here's an example of a forged/counterfeit Willie Mays "2003 Topps Legends" card.

It was sold by Ebay seller Devo_6414 for $315.00.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Topps-...p2047675.l2557



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https://www.flickr.com/photos/157337...7710680987288/
3 fake Aaron

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