New member cuban cards

[Roland 49]

Matt Goebel, you have shown the best card of Gervasio González that I have seen, also glued to their original cardboard as they came inside the cigarette boxes, it is also seen that from the original printer's sheet they were cut with scissors in an irregular way as shown see in the upper left part, it has a part of the card next to it, now I show from my Specialized Catalog Volume 1, part of one of the Cigars "Punch" pages where I give the explanation, there is the photo of your card and another photo top left.

[Roland 49]

"Punch Cigars" cards that I scanned years ago, some of them repeated from the same player.

[Roland 49]

Responding: Chad, the card signed by the president of the United States during his visit to Cuba is very interesting, I had never seen it, although I am a philatelist. Travis, the photo you show of the players in "El Credito" suits, this was a Tobacco Factory, Tiant appears, I think it's Bragaña you're pointing to and I'm not sure if the other one is Rodollfo Fernández, I have to look for a photo of him at that time, peto can be.

[ghostmarcelle]

Rolando - Do you know anything about these, and were they associated with the Caramelo Deportivos?

[Roland 49]

Matt, that photo of Ray Brown is the one used for the "Happy Candies" cards 1945-46, so the one on the back, (2 col) was to be published in a 2-column newspaper, and the other is the date November 1945 .va photo of the card

[Roland 49]

Matt, now I give another example of the photos that were used for the " Caramelos Felices " cards 1945-46, I show the photo and the card of Armando Marsans

[Roland 49]

Original photo of Gervasio González that was used for the collection "Cigarros Punch 1910"

[Roland 49]

Felices 1945, photo and card of Adrian Zabala

[Roland 49]

Original photo by Armando Gallart, used for the "Caramelos Felices" cards 1945-46

[Roland 49]

Album "Caramelos Felices 1945-46" original photo and card by Juan Montero #100, I have published some of the photos used for the cards, but no one comments for or against, I don't know if anyone is seeing the thread or not You are interested in what I post.

[Roland 49]

1864 MOBILE- HAVANA, THE BASEBALL ROUTE. In 1864, after finishing his studies at Spring Hill College, Nemesio Guillo, his brother Ernesto and Enrique Porto returned to Havana. Nemesio brought a ball and a bat in their luggage, which were the first to enter Cuba the next day. The three youngsters began to practice and their friends and acquaintances soon joined them. This was the beginning of baseball in Cuba, today March 3, 2023, in the Vedado area where in 1864 it was practiced for the first time, a delegation de Movile was part of the event to commemorate the Baseball Route, a group of North Americans from that city participated and spoke at the event, including Blake Stein, who was a pitcher and player from that school and later played in the Major Leagues in 1998 in Oakland and from 1999-2002 with KC ROYALS, in one of the photos I am with him.

[Roland 49]

I will tell you something else, the group of young people grew, and in Vedado, on Paseo y Mar street, the first roundabout of Habana B.B.C. and in 1868 the first baseball team in Cuba was formed, the Habana B.B.C. They formed two teams to play against each other. That same year, some sailors who were in the port of Matanzas challenged Habana for a game at Palmar de Junco in Matanzas, and the game considered the first baseball game between Cubanos was held. and North Americans, I show a photo of the roundabout of Habana B.B.C in 1887, and an entrance ticket from that time.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Just picked this up from fellow member.

Chad

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by MuncieNolePAZ

Just picked this up from fellow member.

Chad

Wow, great pickup!

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

Wow, great pickup!

Thanks Jamie.

[ghostmarcelle]

Rolando - Thank you for showing the photos! Are they all postcard sized?

Also - do you know what this is? The back is blank

[tlwise12]

Matt,

Not sure what that is, but it's amazing!

[Roland 49]

Responding, Chad, that card that you show of Lloyd is wonderful and very rare, I congratulate you for having it in your collection, Matt Goebel, I think that what you show of Lundy is a photo, you don't say how big it is, but it's rare, there never was seen. Now I show Lloyd and Lundy cards.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Responding, Chad, that card that you show of Lloyd is wonderful and very rare, I congratulate you for having it in your collection, Matt Goebel, I think that what you show of Lundy is a photo, you don't say how big it is, but it's rare, there never was seen. Now I show Lloyd and Lundy cards.

Thanks Rolando!

Chad

[ghostmarcelle]

Here is where the mystery cards came from:


https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=14732

[ghostmarcelle]

They definitely feel like cards - here is the Isidro Fabre

[Exhibitman]

$500 for the 8 of them in 2003 was a very good deal

[ghostmarcelle]

Adam - $500 was the starting bid, the lot went for a little over $2400 which actually seemed like big money at the time!

[Roland 49]

Matt, the Leland auction group seems to me to be photos, I don't know how big they are, but maybe they are the size of a card, you tell me that they are blank on the back, that is, they have neither numbering nor propaganda from some factory, Evans (Leland) in his visits to Cuba was several times in my house, and achieved many good things, but I don't remember if any of those photos were mine, now I show a photo of Fabre, from the time of the that is shown, in that group, the third one from above seems to me to be José Maria Fernández, with his pet Catcher, the names are written in ink on the photo.

[Roland 49]

1868 1st Baseball Game between Americans and Cubans. In 1868, in the port of Matanzas, there was a schooner and its sailors found out that there was a baseball team in Havana, and they challenged them to go to Matanzas to play. The players from the Havana team went with a group of 25 players and from there they chose the 10 that would play that game, the referee was Leopoldo de Sola, who was the first referee of Cuba, the Cuban team won that game held in El Palmar de Junco, it was the first international baseball match, In 1879 the Hot Bitters team visited us in Havana, the North Americans winning by a wide margin, they played on the grounds of Club Habana in El Vedado, the newspaper "El Triunfo" on Tuesday, December 23, 1879 gives details of this game, the Attending public impressed by the wonderful way of playing, by the Cubans Carlos Zaldo highlighted that for the 1st time in Cuba he bunted the ball that took him to 1st base, I show some photos.

[Roland 49]

1920 Babe Ruth plays 10 games in Cuba vs. Havana and Almendares. The Cuban baseball promoter Abel Linares invites Babe Ruth to play 10 games in Havana for the sum of $20,000 dollars and Ruth accepts and comes with the New York team and his manager John McGraw, also for $3,000 dollars he plays in Santiago de Cuba 2 games in the grounds of Campo Rojo, that was a separate contract by promoters of that city, in one of the games played in Havana the hero was Cristobal Torriente by giving 3 home runs in one game, it is an interesting story, but I mention something about what happened in those days, Ruth, almost every night he went to play Fronton de Jai Alai, and made big bets, also at the Oriental Park Hippodrome, in the end he said that he had lost almost all the money won in Cuba, but I was happy. I show forums of the letter that Ruth sent to Abel Linares accepting the trip, a photo of a ball signed by the one who hit a home run (that ball was going to be mine, but when they took me to the place of sale an hour before, Yuyo Ruiz bought it, I took it to my house the next day so I could see it and have it in my hands) photo of Babe in the Frontón, photo of Almendares 1920 and photo of Campo Rojo in 1904, in 1920 Ruth played on those grounds.

[Roland 49]

Babe Ruth at bat, Almendares Park 1920

[Roland 49]

Babe Ruth in Almendares Park 1920, and Giants New York

[Roland 49]

Responding to a question to my email, what I publish in this thread is different from what I publish in my other Specialized Catalog Response thread, since you say that you see this thread and not the other, search and see what you want to see, that already I posted it a month ago, I think those who read my posts should see the two that have different things, now I show 2 photos of Babe Ruth in Almendares Park in 1920.

[Roland 49]

1885, 1st Spalding's Guide in Spanish, photos on the cover and 2 inside pages, I have some in my collection, but I don't know how many were published, do any of you know?

[Roland 49]

In the photo of John McGraw from 1920, when sitting he looks fatter, if he were standing up, he would look stretched out, now I show other photos of McGraw at Almendares Park in 1911, with the New York Giants, 9 years before , in 7th of the games there was a big discussion when they were losing the game, and offended Almendares catcher Gervasio González, at the end of the game the discussion continued with umpire Rigler in a restaurant and the police intervened and took him to jail, There are photos of what happened.

[Roland 49]

I show two more photos of what happened in the game between Almendares and New York, in the 1st we see McGraw and Rigler, McGraw tells the umpire that they have to take the Almendares catcher out of the game, Rigler tries to solve the problem, in the 2nd photo shows McGraw in the New York bank saying that not even for all of Rockefeller's money will he continue to play that game.

[Roland 49]

Caramelos La Mallorquina, Oliver Marcelle

[Vintagedeputy]

Roland 49,

I’m hoping that you have some information to share regarding my new post card arrival. I know that the AZO postage markings place this at between 1918-1930, and I see a lot of U.S. Navy sailors in their white uniforms.

Do you have any info regarding this postcard?

[Roland 49]

Jim, you show a postcard of a game at the Guantanamo Naval Base, through many years I have seen many different ones, but I don't know any information about what you show. You will now see a Billiken card by GoshMarcelle

[Kenny Cole]

Matt (Ghost Marcelle) has the nicest Billiken set known. His Charleston is off the charts. At the same time he was collecting Billikens, I was collecting Aguilitas Segundas and Ryan Christoff was collecting the Tomas Gutierrez set. Here are a few of my nicer Segundas.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Matt (Ghost Marcelle) has the nicest Billiken set known. His Charleston is off the charts. At the same time he was collecting Billikens, I was collecting Aguilitas Segundas and Ryan Christoff was collecting the Tomas Gutierrez set. Here are a few of my nicer Segundas.

Amazing cards Kenny!

Chad

[Roland 49]

Oscar Charleston Santa Clara 1923 Billiken, Charleston Team Cuba 1928

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Jim, you show a postcard of a game at the Guantanamo Naval Base, through many years I have seen many different ones, but I don't know any information about what you show.

Thank you, Roland. I found out that the building on the hill was built in 1927, so my postcard dates from about 1928-30.

[Roland 49]

There are Babe Ruth cards in Cuban collections, I now show from Chocolate Baguer and Victoria Collections.

[Roland 49]

Hoyt Wilhein, matchbox card

[Roland 49]

Original Billiken Cigars box where the cards came from, I took a picture of it next to Westley's card

[Kenny Cole]

Wesley

[Roland 49]

Kenny, the Westley card you show is excellent, maybe it was mine several years ago, I had 3 complete Billiken collections, now I show a scan with Westley's card, but from La Moda, from the same manufacturer Villaamil, many years ago I explained for myself From experience, La Moda cards were very difficult, more or less for every 10 Billiken I saw, one of La Moda appeared.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Rolando or anyone with knowledge,

Do you have any information on these cards or opinion? They are not mine. Just noticed the Mendez (link below) when I looking at old Mendez cards. I found a couple pictures of some of the other cards as well. I couldn't find any real reference to them (found some boxing ones)other than this Hake's auction. I had never heard of them before. I was speaking with another member about them, and they seem off in my opinion. My opinion means little though since I know nothing about them.

Thanks
Chad Paskiewicz

https://hakes.com/Auction/ItemDetail...KIN-COLLECTION

[Schlesinj]

I will summarize what I understand and feel free to add:
There was a significant discussion about these cards several years after a group (not the ones listed above) of cards were listed on eBay. Several people discussed the merits of those cards and Roland through someone else was was consulted (before he became a member here). He, at the time, I believe physically held those cards and feels comfortable they are a real and extremely scarce issue. He provided some history of the information/stats on the back.

He did write about them in one of his books (which I own).

I think you can find some of the history of the cards in a separate thread via the search and also some more recent comments when the Hake’s auction occurred in this thread.

[Roland 49]

Romeo y Julieta 1922 Cigars. Many years ago they took me a group of those cards to evaluate them, after observing them very well, I explained that they were 100% original, I wanted to buy them but the one who had them wanted to sell them on ebay, when I put them there were comments on net54 (site unknown to me), and days later the seller agreed with my friend Ryan, and they came looking for me and I gave an explanation, I think those cards were going to come out in 1911, maybe yes or maybe not, but in 1922, when the amateur series was printed, they found the originals from 1911 and decided to print them, on some cards it says 1911 and on others 1915, the explanation is broader, but it would take a lot of space, in my Specialized Catalog I show it, in a recent auction when Mendez's card was sold, they copied what I had said previously, I show a photo of my catalog, which I had to reduce the size so that it could be seen on net54, that's why it doesn't look very good

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Thank you for the information Jamie and Rolando. Good to know.

Chad

[Roland 49]

Cabañas y Mallorquinas Cards, about two years ago, a member of net54 contacted another of the members, a friend of mine who has been visiting me at my house for 20 years, when he comes to Cuba, he gives him a list of cards he needed, I got part of it. of them, but it was covid times and my friend could not come, he sent me a message saying that April 30th arrives, but that he has not been able to have contact with the person who wants the cards, I sent him a private message and neither He answers me, I'm not going to mention names, but I know he reads my threads, that's why I'm giving this information, so he knows that I have everything saved for him, and if he's interested, quickly contact the one who comes to my house, now I show from my specialized catalog one of the pages of Cabañas 1909, you will see 3 different postcards of Bustamante.

[Roland 49]

Cigarros Billiken, Alejandro Oms and Cooper