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Old 03-26-2023, 03:47 PM
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Default How many T206 PSA 7's and 8's have borders this large?

I'm probably overly suspicious by nature, and I'm sure I've rejected legit cards because of my nature, but when you see a card with borders like this how can you NOT question all the high grade stuff floating around out there?
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:14 PM
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True Scott, but that Evers does have extra thick borders. Still a lot of the high graded T206 cards seem to have 1/3rd of this size border.

And thinking about this from a different perspective, how many nicer raw T206 cards still have borders like this...

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I agree. Mainly because I remember a point in time during the 1980's where it was almost common practice with certain sellers to trim every card they had. Because so much trimming was being done, there was not a whole lot that you could use as comparison. This was before anyone was slabbing anything, and before the internet was avaliable to the public. It was also one of the reasons that I didn't collect tobacco cards as a kid. Because I knew nothing about them, and there was no easy way to learn about them. It was no different than coins being cleaned and stamps having cancelations removed and perforations being repunched.
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When David Hall's T206's were being auctioned off by HA, many of the higher graded cards looked suspect to me.
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My favorite T206 is a Red Cobb with a Old Mill back. One of the highest graded I have seen has by far the smallest borders I have seen on a T206 with a number grade.
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I find a new excitement now, when I spot an original card. I try harder to add it to the collection. Condition is not always as important; to be able to hold in my hands, the same card as that kid in 1909. I pull an original out at card shows; take it out of the sleeve; hand it to the kid and ask him how it feels to hold a 110 year-old baseball card. For me, these are parts of the hobby to not lose.
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True Scott, but that Evers does have extra thick borders....
Does it? I question that.

To me this is what an ideal T206 looks like. I'd take this over a narrow or short 8 every day of the week.
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When David Hall's T206's were being auctioned off by HA, many of the higher graded cards looked suspect to me.
I wonder how he was able to get such high grades from his opinion seller of choice?
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Does it? I question that.

To me this is what an ideal T206 looks like. I'd take this over a narrow or short 8 every day of the week.
The majority of unaltered T206 cards have borders that look closer to this Flanagan below. The Evers shown is just at the far end of the unaltered T206 size spectrum. And I agree, this spectacular looking Mr. Evers would definitely by my choice over anything that has been slenderized to graded perfection.

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My favorite T206 is a Red Cobb with a Old Mill back. One of the highest graded I have seen has by far the smallest borders I have seen on a T206 with a number grade.
this one at least seems to have ~normal sized borders
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I'm probably overly suspicious by nature, and I'm sure I've rejected legit cards because of my nature, but when you see a card with borders like this how can you NOT question all the high grade stuff floating around out there?
I think the general rule is to expect smaller cards in higher grade holders. Some of the highest grade Goudey barely have borders.
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I wonder how he was able to get such high grades from his opinion seller of choice?
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I wonder how he was able to get such high grades from his opinion seller of choice?
He bought most of his stuff in holders and paid too dollar. It may have been going on but I am not sure why he would have been such an aggressive buyer and honestly the cards I sold his buyer were in the same grade when I saw them in the heritage auction. But I know Doug rarely passes up the chance to take a dump on PSA wether deserved or just in his mind.
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I saw many fat boardered T206’s before grading. Afterwards not so many. 😳
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I saw many fat boardered T206’s before grading. Afterwards not so many. 😳
They are in private collections. I have 520 raw in a binder and pages.
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Does it? I question that.

To me this is what an ideal T206 looks like. I'd take this over a narrow or short 8 every day of the week.
If the holders are made to fit the listed card size, and I have no reason to think they're not, the Evers is actually slightly short top to bottom.
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If the holders are made to fit the listed card size, and I have no reason to think they're not, the Evers is actually slightly short top to bottom.
T206s, as we all know, had a lot of different cuts to them. So, the holders are going to be a bit off on a lot of them.

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If you do a simple search you’ll see most Bob Grooms Have large borders and most Chief Meyers green have narrow borders - not all but most - I picked up a Groom Howe McCormick that’s also physically larger than any of my other T206
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Appreciate big wide boarder’s
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Bingo. I know many may not want to hear this, but you need to very skeptical of high graded tobacco cards. Especially newer graded ones.
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...I know Doug rarely passes up the chance to take a dump on PSA whether deserved or just in his mind.
In my mind all of my dumps are meant to be taken on all opinion sellers, I rarely (if ever) aim them at individual opinion sellers. It's hard to not be perceived as aiming at the one who has the greatest legacy of arguably bad opinions, especially when their very first opinion fits so well into this thread.

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In my mind all of my dumps are meant to be taken on all opinion sellers, I rarely (if ever) aim them at individual opinion sellers. It's hard to not be perceived as aiming at the one who has the greatest legacy of arguably bad opinions, especially when their very first opinion fits so well into this thread.

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Me too if it was to sell. I have many cards I would not trade for it to keep.
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Centered a bit top to bottom

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T206s, as we all know, had a lot of different cuts to them. So, the holders are going to be a bit off on a lot of them.

From the BST, thanks Tony!

And sometimes with PSA the holders are way off on them.

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And sometimes with PSA the holders are way off on them.
I like how Mitchell is showing off his individuality by leaning the other direction.

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Think about this - why don't you see many high grade jumbo cards?

1 - Most jumbos are not high grade because they are a true representation of a cards condition that has not been trimmed.

2 - Many jumbo cards have been trimmed down to get that higher grade and the TPGs just do a poor job of catching trimmed cards.
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I was surprised this only got a 5, has nice full borders! (Actually, should qualify that, with the tougher grading now, it’s a perfectly fine grade for the card). Doesnt matter anyway, i was excited to have the card with the expansive borders.
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Like Phil, I like em' wide, or tall, and centered.

Great Matty Paul. Love it!
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I was surprised this only got a 5, has nice full borders!
But obviously off-centered, thus the justifiable downgrade.

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You know, somewhere theres a so called professional card trimmer, thats having uncontrollable urges, just scrolling through this post. Looking at all the potential PSA 8's.
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Nah. Those aren’t the fat boarders from the 70’s. Sorry, only the Johnson may qualify.
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They are in private collections. I have 520 raw in a binder and pages.
Me too and I agree completely. When I put the set of 520 together (minus the Big 4), in the late 80’s, I bought all creaseless examples with exish corners. There are many ‘fat border’ cards. The T205 and T206 sets are my only sets without slabs.
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Think about this - why don't you see many high grade jumbo cards?

1 - Most jumbos are not high grade because they are a true representation of a cards condition that has not been trimmed.

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3- Jumbo cards stick out of a stack of normal sized cards and get worn more.
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