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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: cmoking
Mr. Heitman, you wrote in another thread something about Goudeys that I had never heard of. I'm not a hobby verteran, so I'm not surprised to hear something new. But since I am a Goudey collector, this piqued my interest. I thought I'd start a new thread since this would be a tangent to the Wagner thread. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: William Heitman
I don't believe a collector could distinguish these particular cards from originals. The answer to all of the other questions you pose is, I believe, yes. I'll leave it at that to avoid further controversy. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Cmoking, |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: cmoking
Frank, that card was in the recently closed Goodwin auction. It was almost mine, I was the underbidder. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I'm curious as well. How could they reproduce the artwork so faithfully as to not be detectable by experts - identical artwork, identical typefaces, and randomly changing numbers - without owning the original printing plates? What technology existed in 1950 that would enable people to make virtually identical artwork but change some information on the backs (the Piedmont on the Wagner, the numbers on the Goudeys), while being otherwise completely undetectable? |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: WP
Al you are exactly right so these hobby pioneers could produce exact replicas the likes of which can't be produced today, however they had no idea how to cut the cards straight. Highly doubtful look at the borders on the pictured card wavy. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Mark
This type of info affects almost all of us! |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Chris Counts
The lack of interest in the thread doesn't surprise me. If this was about T206s, this thread would have a hundred posts. It seems board members are mostly concerned with pre-WWI cards ... |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Paul
I'd certainly like to hear more about this. In particular, I'd like to know: |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I'm sorry, but with all due respect to Mr. Heitman, I think it's important to point out the illogic of this. People are reading it and talking about it and expanding on the concept, and considering the possibility that a roomful of old-time collectors may have been messing around with vintage inks, vintage papers, and vintage presses in some mad scientist/card geek laboratory in 1950, creating undetectable forgeries that are floating around the hobby today. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Glenn
Al, |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: dennis
i think the reason there are not many responses @ this thread is just a lack of knowledge. i respect mr heitmans opinions (and i do not think he is trying to cause a stir) imo he heard stories and is just passing these on to us. true or not we will never really know,but i like when someone does step forward with things they have heard. much like the tread on ghost images and blankbacked cards we can chose to believe what we want. my opinion is if such "counterfits" do exist i am surprised that they are not more widespread,and reported of by elder hobby veterens. for those who have never seen the #106 durocher i copied its sale from the halper catalogue.here is what i do know: if in fact copies exist that can fool all, they can not be called fake. please take the time to read the discription of the durocher. it leaves much open to speculation and mr. heitmans story. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: dennis
btw the durocher card sold for $7475.00(wobp) in 1999 (sept 23-29) |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
I find it very hard to believe that Goudey cards were reprinted in the 1950's. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: Glenn
Rob Lifson? I think he is an unimpeachable source. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: barrysloate
With a story of this magnitude it is essential to have documentation. Just recollections of this taking place half a century ago is not enough to convince me. Not saying it isn't true, but you can't solve a case with hearsay. Only evidence will suffice. |
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Question for Mr. Heitman re: renumbering 1933 Goudey cards
Posted By: JimB
I would not know how to explain the Spoher, but the Durocher could easily have changed #s after a proof run to make completing the set impossible, as we know Goudey did. I agree with Barry that we need some evidence stronger than a rumor heard thirty years ago. If these were produced as Mr. Heitman heard, then one would presume that there would be a lot more of them around now. They were produced, according to the rumor, but serious hobby figures, so their productions surely would have remained in the hobby over the years. The lack of more evidence and more examples makes me skeptical. |
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