Returned cards from trimming scandal showing up on Ebay

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

That's right folks you can buy these altered, outed cards at an even HIGHER price than you would've paid for them at this time last year and they're still altered and still in PSA numeric holders. I know, I know you can't wait to get your hands on these.

Maybe this is why they should've gone back to PSA and not the seller!

Blowout link with the cert #'s

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

Ebay items with the same cert #'s

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Nap-La...AOSwo79f%7E6dL

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Walter...AOSwr2Bf%7E6aO

Sharing someone else's discovery, can't take credit for spotting this.

[ullmandds]

unreal

[shagrotn77]

It really was all just a big smokescreen. I wonder if the FBI agents who were supposedly at the Natty a couple years ago were paid actors.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

It really was all just a big smokescreen. I wonder if the FBI agents who were supposedly at the Natty a couple years ago were paid actors.

Covid hit at the perfect time for card doctors, TPAs and corrupt dealers. It likely put the FBI investigation on a back burner, while enabling the acceleration of prices for this trash.

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Covid hit at the perfect time for card doctors, TPAs and corrupt dealers. It likely put the FBI investigation on a back burner, while enabling the acceleration of prices for this trash.

I understand while some might think along these lines, but the FBI wasn't tasked with trying to cure or treat Covid. If there ever was an investigation, it could have continued. I never saw any change in the way the alleged offenders operated, so I have a hard time believing there was ever any heat on them at all.

[Andrew1975]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

I understand while some might think along these lines, but the FBI wasn't tasked with trying to cure or treat Covid. If there ever was an investigation, it could have continued. I never saw any change in the way the alleged offenders operated, so I have a hard time believing there was ever any heat on them at all.

Federal grand juries have essentially been shut down for 8+ months. I'm quite sure that the very limited time/space the feds have to put in witnesses isn't being used for a baseball card/fraud investigation. If they plan to indict anyone they will probably need to have numerous witnesses testify in GJ... I am hopeful that is the case.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

I understand while some might think along these lines, but the FBI wasn't tasked with trying to cure or treat Covid. If there ever was an investigation, it could have continued. I never saw any change in the way the alleged offenders operated, so I have a hard time believing there was ever any heat on them at all.

I have spoken to enough people in the industry who were directly questioned by the FBI to know this is not the case.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

That's right folks you can buy these altered, outed cards at an even HIGHER price than you would've paid for them at this time last year and they're still altered and still in PSA numeric holders. I know, I know you can't wait to get your hands on these.

Maybe this is why they should've gone back to PSA and not the seller!

Blowout link with the cert #'s

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

Ebay items with the same cert #'s

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Nap-La...AOSwo79f%7E6dL

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Walter...AOSwr2Bf%7E6aO

Sharing someone else's discovery, can't take credit for spotting this.

Yes, sending these cards back to the seller was the worst option.

Sending them back to PSA would only be option #2, because they’d find a way to stand behind the grade, thus limiting their liability (altered or not).

Best option would have been to send them to the FBI as evidence of fraud.

These slime balls always have a way of wiggling off the hook. People need to start boycotting these sellers.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I guess when we're told the seller is cooperating with the FBI I foolishly figure that the fraudulent cards aren't just being resold on the QT.

[Gorditadogg]

So does Probstein know?

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[Flintboy]

Unfortunately I don’t think he really cares.....Why should he? Not like a lot has been done in the hobby to stop this. Card after card being doctored and what happens? There’s an even bigger wait to get a card graded.

[Casey2296]

The most valuable card to me is one that shows very clearly there is no possible signs of trimming. Signs of edge wear on a 100+ year old card with wide borders carries a premium over skinny perfect borders.

[Andrew1975]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The most valuable card to me is one that shows very clearly there is no possible signs of trimming. Signs of edge wear on a 100+ year old card with wide borders carries a premium over skinny perfect borders.

I agree 100%...

[hcv123]

Is that while it may be crystal clear to us and folks at blowout, I presume from a legal standpoint at best these cards are "alleged to have been altered", but not found so in a legal sense.

While I am no fan of nor choose to do business with Probstein or PWCC for reasons clearly called out in multiple threads here, there are clearly many who choose to ignore the facts and poor service in pursuit of stuff.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The most valuable card to me is one that shows very clearly there is no possible signs of trimming. Signs of edge wear on a 100+ year old card with wide borders carries a premium over skinny perfect borders.

I kind of took that to heart...

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Leon

I kind of took that to heart...

Now that's how they should look, nice cards Leon.

[Prince Hal]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The most valuable card to me is one that shows very clearly there is no possible signs of trimming. Signs of edge wear on a 100+ year old card with wide borders carries a premium over skinny perfect borders.

I totally agree. I've been buying more and more raw cards that clearly have not been trimmed and enjoying them just as much. Even modern sized cards in a recessed screw down, like the 1962's I've been working on, look as good to me as any slabbed card.

[Seven]

Terrible. I know how well documented this stuff has been on blowout, but I just don't understand how ebay, just doesn't care.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Seven

Terrible. I know how well documented this stuff has been on blowout, but I just don't understand how ebay, just doesn't care.

Because they get paid...