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I was 'lucky' enough to buy an early case of 1990 Donruss Baseball Wax. (I still have unopened variation boxes too). And by early I mean lots of boo-boo's.

Between that and the factory set, and searching eBay, I came close to what I think is a master set for me. Mind you, the dot thing is not on my radar. That has just gone way beyond any comprehension for me.

Would you consider adding your list of variations and posting it here? I'd like to see how close or far away I am. I did not go into the pattern variations, Just stuck to what I was able to find in searches for the 90 Donruss variations.

I ended up busting 6 boxes to make a set and then just recently got rid of all my dupes to clear weight for a move. So at least I contributed to reducing the OVER abundance of cards by maybe less than .00000000000001%

Your cards just got magically more valuable by probably even less than that. : - )

I have considered busting some more but just have not taken that plunge yet.

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I was 'lucky' enough to buy an early case of 1990 Donruss Baseball Wax. (I still have unopened variation boxes too). And by early I mean lots of boo-boo's.

Between that and the factory set, and searching eBay, I came close to what I think is a master set for me. Mind you, the dot thing is not on my radar. That has just gone way beyond any comprehension for me.

Would you consider adding your list of variations and posting it here? I'd like to see how close or far away I am. I did not go into the pattern variations, Just stuck to what I was able to find in searches for the 90 Donruss variations.

I ended up busting 6 boxes to make a set and then just recently got rid of all my dupes to clear weight for a move. So at least I contributed to reducing the OVER abundance of cards by maybe less than .00000000000001%

Your cards just got magically more valuable by probably even less than that. : - )

I have considered busting some more but just have not taken that plunge yet.

Regards,

Butch
Hi Butch,

You'll almost certainly still need numerous cards because for every fire they put out they created two more. So any single case, no matter how early, is going to be missing some key E&Vs.

I know someone keeps telling people that the Baines All-Star with Line Through is only in the earliest cases. That's not true. I've opened numerous cases from numerous early dates and there were zero Baines Line Through. That card only shows up for one day in distribution and it's not the first days.

Here is my current list of E&Vs for '90 Donruss. Each example confirmed with at least a second find from another case which came from another source, so they're all recurring.

While I continue to leave it on the list, I'm dubious about the Bo Jackson DK. If anyone has a picture of one I'd love to see it.

CARD # NAME VARIATION
1 Bo Jackson - Diamond King Redone "i" in Diamond Kings
3 Ruben Sierra - Diamond Kings No Line in Top Back Border
10 Brian Downing - Diamond Kings Reverse Negative on Front
11 Kevin Mitchell - Diamond Kings Space filled in with black bump
11 Kevin Mitchell - Diamond Kings White space in bottom right front border
15 Ozzie Guillen - Diamond Kings No Red Dot by Foot on Front
15 Ozzie Guillen - Diamond Kings Red Dot by Foot on Front
18 Howard Johnson - Diamond Kings Bottom of 18 missing on back
18 Howard Johnson - Diamond Kings Errant dashed line by upper left border on front, full 18 on back
18 Howard Johnson - Diamond Kings Errant dashed line on front & Bottom of 18 missing on back
18 Howard Johnson - Diamond Kings Normal
20 Chris Bosio - Diamond Kings Errant dashed line by upper left border on front
20 Chris Bosio - Diamond Kings Normal
24 Pete O'Brien - Diamond Kings Fuzzy red line in DK banner
24 Pete O'Brien - Diamond Kings Normal
24 Pete O'Brien - Diamond Kings Thin red line in DK banner
24 Pete O'Brien - Diamond Kings White line in DK banner
33 Juan Gonzalez - Rated Rookie Reverse Negative w/ Blue Scratch Right of Hands
33 Juan Gonzalez - Rated Rookie Correct w/ Blue Scratch and Dragon Splotch Near Calf
67 Walt Weiss Break in stats border on back
67 Walt Weiss Normal
67 Walt Weiss Shimmer in right black line on back
71 Barry Larkin Broken Pepper Left of Eyes
71 Barry Larkin Red pepper left of eyes
71 Barry Larkin Skinny Pepper Left of Eyes
100 Checklist 28-125
100 Checklist 28-129
111 Roberto Alomar No Dot
111 Roberto Alomar White dot right of helmet
113 Kelly Gruber DOB February 22
113 Kelly Gruber DOB February 26
125 Jose Canseco Vertical Line Below OF on Front - Yellow
130 Hubie Brooks Circle on Thigh, Scratch Airbrushed Out
130 Hubie Brooks Circle on Thigh, Scratch by Left Foot
158 Greg Maddux Dot on line below 'M' on front
158 Greg Maddux No Dot
159 Andy Hawkins Airbrushed check mark
159 Andy Hawkins Check mark in upper left part of picture
168 Dale Murphy Half line through D
170 Kirk McCaskill DOB April 19
170 Kirk McCaskill DOB April 9
173 B.J. Surhoff Red Splotch Above Helmet
173 B.J. Surhoff Red Splotch Removed
186 Rob Murphy Line through 'b' on front
186 Rob Murphy No Line
194 Darren Daulton Clean Negative
194 Darren Daulton Residual Paint on Negative Above Head
195 Alfredo Griffin Scratches Airbrushed Out
195 Alfredo Griffin Small Black Scratches Right of Bat
198 Paul O'Neill Paw Scratch Airbrushed Out
198 Paul O'Neill Red Paw Scratch Right of Helmet
198 Paul O'Neill Black Paw Scratch Right of Helmet
200 Checklist 126-233
200 Checklist 130-231
206 George Bell Closed loop 'G'
206 George Bell Open loop 'G'
214 Mike Moore No Dot
214 Mike Moore Yellow dot under Donruss on front
217 Scott Garrelts DOB October 20
217 Scott Garrelts DOB October 30
233 Eric Davis E' & 'r' joined
233 Eric Davis Normal
270 Gregg Jefferies Open loop 'G' & 'J'
287 Joe Orsulak Black mark left of belt (corrected?)
300 Checklist 224-321
300 Checklist 232-333
307 Duane Ward Full border
307 Duane Ward Line break on front bottom border
321 Jeff Hamilton Break in top line above team name
321 Jeff Hamilton Full Line
335 Jose Uribe Black dot left of bat
335 Jose Uribe Dots airbrushed out
335 Jose Uribe White dot left of bat
343 Kevin Brown "Signeed" in first line of bio (UER?)
347 Bip Roberts Line breaks B
365 Ken Griffey Jr Blank accent mark through card nuber and line
365 Ken Griffey Jr Break in front bottom border by left elbow
365 Ken Griffey Jr Full line
365 Ken Griffey Jr Green Eye (Factory Set only?)
368 Kirk Gibson DOB May 25
368 Kirk Gibson DOB May 28
378 Jamie Moyer No Dot
378 Jamie Moyer Yellow dot above 'I' on front
400 Checklist 322-419
400 Checklist 334-435
405 Sergio Valdez Line through S on front
405 Sergio Valdez Normal
406 Mark Williamson Black scratch below Orioles on front (corrected?)
408 Jeff Innis Upper right scratch more white
408 Jeff Innis Upper right scratch mostly red
414 Trevor Wilson Red dot above glove
414 Trevor Wilson Red dot airbrushed out
424 Ken Caminiti Yellow dot right of name on front
425 David Wells Gap between leaf and border
425 David Wells Maple Leaf touches border
436 Gene Larkin Black Quotation Marks Right of Helmet
436 Gene Larkin Marks Airbrushed Out
471 Mackey Sasser Blue apostrophe left of eyes
471 Mackey Sasser Blue banana & Blue apostrophe
471 Mackey Sasser Blue banana above hip
498 Mike Macfarlane No Dot
498 Mike Macfarlane Pink dot on hat
500 Checklist 420-517
500 Checklist 436-537
523 Andy Nezelek DOB 1965
523 Andy Nezelek DOB 1985
523 Andy Nezelek DOB 1985 with Dot Below 'A' on Front
542 Mark Portugal Bottom front line break left of 'M'
542 Mark Portugal Full line
562 Rick Luecken No Red Dot on Cap
562 Rick Luecken Red dot on cap
573 Lance Johnson Full Name
573 Lance Johnson Part of 'L' missing in name on front
583 Kevin Hickey Black line through 'K'
583 Kevin Hickey Normal Name
585 Jeff Pico Break in bottom line on front
585 Jeff Pico Full Line
595 Luis Quinones Black dot left of 'L' on front
595 Luis Quinones No Dot
600 Checklist 518-617
600 Checklist 538-639
602 Terry Kennedy No Paint
602 Terry Kennedy Painted Teammates in Dugout
619 Shawn Hillegas Break in bottom line and on top border on front
619 Shawn Hillegas Break in bottom line on front
619 Shawn Hillegas Full line
624 Mark Lemke Black Feather Above Shoulder
624 Mark Lemke Feather Airbrushed Out
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star Blue Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star Blue Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star Half Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star Half Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star White Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
637 Terry Steinbach All-Star White Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
639 Jack Morris Black line through 'J' on front
639 Jack Morris Corrected
650 Bo Jackson All-Star Circled 'T' Airbrushed Out w/ All-Star Performance on back
650 Bo Jackson All-Star Circled 'T' Airbrushed Out w/ Recent ML Performance on back
650 Bo Jackson All-Star Circled 'T' by Left Knee w/ All-Star Performance on back
650 Bo Jackson All-Star Circled 'T' by Left Knee w/ Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Blue Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Blue Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star No Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star No Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red & Blue Scratch with Blue on Top - AS Game Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red & Blue Scratch with Blue on Top - Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red & Blue Scratch with Red on Top - AS Game Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red & Blue Scratch with Red on Top - Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red Scratch with AS Game Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star Red Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star White Scratch with All-Star Performance on back
654 Howard Johnson All-Star White Scratch with Recent ML Performance on back
660 Harold Baines Line behind star - All-Star Performance on back
660 Harold Baines Line behind star - Major League Performance on back
660 Harold Baines Line in front of star - All-Star Performance on back
660 Harold Baines Line in front of star - Major League Performance on back
662 Clint Zavaras Black line airbrushed out
662 Clint Zavaras Black line on nostril
663 Rick Reuschel All-Star Black streak in front left border with All-Star Game Performance on back
663 Rick Reuschel All-Star Black streak in front left border with Recent ML Game Performance on back
663 Rick Reuschel All-Star No Black Streak in Border, All-Star Game Performance on back
663 Rick Reuschel All-Star No Black Streak in Border, Recent ML Performance on back
683 Kirby Puckett All-Star Mostly Brown Dust by His Right Calf in Photo with All-Star Performance on back
683 Kirby Puckett All-Star Mostly Brown Dust by His Right Calf in Photo with Recent ML Perform on back
683 Kirby Puckett All-Star Mostly Teal Dust by His Right Calf in Photo with All-Star Performance on back
683 Kirby Puckett All-Star Mostly Teal Dust by His Right Calf in Photo with Recent ML Performance on back
696 Scott Lusader Break in top front border
699 George Canale Line through right loop on front 'G'
700 Checklist 618-716
700 Checklist 640-BC26 no 716
700 Checklist 640-BC26 with 716
703 Dave Stewart All-Star No Scratch - All-Star Performance on Back
703 Dave Stewart All-Star No Scratch - Recent ML Performance on Back
703 Dave Stewart All-Star Chameleon Scratch Right of Elbow - All-Star Performance on Back
703 Dave Stewart All-Star Chameleon Scratch Right of Elbow - Recent ML Performance on Back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star Faded Green Vertical Stripe in Next to Right Foot on Front, AS Perform on back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star Faded Green Vertical Stripe Next to Right Foot, Recent ML Performance on back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star Green Vertical Stripe in Dirt Next to Right Foot on Front, AS Perform on back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star Green Vertical Stripe Next to Right Foot, Recent ML Performance on back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star No Green Stripe, AS Performance on back
708 Benito Santiago All-Star No Green Stripe, Recent ML Performance on back
710 Ozzie Smith All-Star Black Vertical Scratch in Dirt with AS Game Performance on back
710 Ozzie Smith All-Star Black Vertical Scratch in Dirt with Recent ML Performance on back
710 Ozzie Smith All-Star Green Vertical Scratch in Dirt with AS Game Performance on back
710 Ozzie Smith All-Star Green Vertical Scratch in Dirt with Recent ML Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star No Blue Triangles, All-Star Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star No Blue Triangles, Recent ML Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star One Blue Triangle on Stomach, All-Star Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star One Blue Triangle on Stomach, Recent ML Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star Two Blue Triangles on Stomach, All-Star Performance on back
715 Kevin Mitchell All-Star Two Blue Triangles on Stomach, Recent ML Performance on back
716 A. Bartlett Giamati Cropped larger
716 A. Bartlett Giamati Cropped smaller
716 A. Bartlett Giamati No black lines on back
BC-12 John Smoltz - MVP Photo of Tom Glavine
BC-2 Howard Johnson - MVP Clean Jersey
BC-2 Howard Johnson - MVP Fuzzy Blue Triangle on Jersey Neck

All-Star Performance
Recent Major League Performance
MVP subset with Dot after INC
MVP subset with NO Dot after INC
659 - 659 back
659 - 665 back
659 - 659 back with 665 number
665 Copper Banner on Front - 665 back
665 Tan Banner on Front - 665 back
665 Tan Banner on Front - 659 back

***** All errors/variations occurring on All-Star cards are assumed to be available in
***** both All-Star Performance and Recent ML Performance backs. This may not be
***** the case though.

All-Star Cards ----- Harold Baines, Julio Franco, Wade Boggs, Bo Jackson, and Kirby Puckett are all
missing the "TM" trademark symbol next to the American League emblem on
the front of their cards. No examples with the "TM" present are known.

Diamond Kings ----- Some DKs have been reportedly found with No Period after INC on back.
These should be considered difficult, if not rare, and not all DKs are known to
exist with No Period INC. A stark contrast to the availability of Period/No Period
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I agree with your Bo Jackson comment. I have looked for years, never found any hint of it either.

Thank you for your list. This may just be the impetus for me to bust a box to see if I can fill some holes.

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I would be remiss if I did not share my list so here it is. This comes from my Excel Spreadsheet. So it runs together a bit. Consider each card listed with two descriptions of the variation to that card number.

With the exception of 695 Davis "E R Break - Recent Major League Performance" which I have never seen, I have everything on this list.

1990 Donruss Baseball Variations UPDATED: 6/20

3 Sierra No Small Line Top Back Border Small Line Top Back Border
10 Downing Normal Photo Reverse Photo
18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner
33 Gonzalez Normal Photo Reverse Photo
100 Checklist #1 - #129 #1 - #125
113 Gruber Feb 22 Birthdate - Back Feb 26 Birthdate - Back
154 Orosco Black Line under 'r' in Orosco Black Line behind 'r' in Orosco
168 Murphy "D" is White - Front Half line through "D" - Front
170 McCaskill Apr 19 Birthdate - Back Apr 9 Birthdate - Back
200 Checklist #130 - #231 #126 - #223
206 Bell "G" Open Bottom Loop - Front "G" Filled Bottom Loop - Front
217 Garrelts Oct 20 Birthdate Oct 30 Birthdate - Back
233 Davis "E" and "r" Joined - Front "E" and "r" Broken - Front
270 Jefferies Open "G" & "J" Loop - Front "G" and "J" Loop Closed - Front
300 Checklist #232 - #333 #224 - #321
321 Hamilton Solid Top Line - Front Top Line Break 1/16 From Right - Front
347 Roberts Line Breaks "B"ip - Front "B"ip is solid white - Front
365 Griffey Jr. No Red Dot on Cap - Front Red Dot on Cap (All over him) - Front
368 Gibson May 25 Birthdate - Back May 28 Birthdate - Back
400 Checklist #334 - #435 #322 - #419
405 Valdez "S" is all White - Front Broken Line Through "S" - Front
408 Innis Mostly Red Scratch Upper Right - Front Scratch more White Upper Right - Front
425 Wells Maple Leaf Touches Bottom Border - Front Gap between Maple Leaf and Bottom Border - Front
500 Checklist #436 - #537 #420 - #517
523 Nezelek Born in 1985 Born in 1965
583 Hickey "K" Is White - Front "K" Has Line Through It - Front
585 Pico Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
600 Checklist #538 - #639 #518 - #617
619 Hillegas Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
637 Steinback All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
637 Steinback Black 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - RMLP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thinner in name Front - ASGP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thicker in name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black Lines thinner in name Front - RMLP Back
639 Morris All White "J" - Front Line Through "J" - Front
650 Jackson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
654 Johnson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
659 Ryan #659 Card Back #665 Card Back
660 Baines No Star Line Front - All Star Back No Star Line Front - Recent Back
660 Baines Line Through Star - All Star Back Line Through Star - Recent Back
663 Reuschel All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
665 Ryan K of K #665 Card Back No Card Number on Back #659 Card Back
673 Sierra All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
674 Guerrero All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
676 Ripken All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
683 Puckett All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
692 Sandberg All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - All Star Game Performance E R Break - All Star Game Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - Recent Major League Performance E R Break - Recent Major League Performance
697 McGwire All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
699 Canale "G" All White - Front Line Through Right "G" Loop - Front
700 Checklist #640 - #BC26 Includes #716 No #716 #618 - #716
701 Franco All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance AS Partial 19 in "1989" - Back AS Whole 19 in "1989" - Back
703 Stewart All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
705 Gwynn All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
707 Clark All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
708 Santiago All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
710 Smith All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
712 Boggs All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
715 Mitchell All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
716 Giamatti Black Lines on Back No Black Lines on Back
BC-12 Smoltz John Smoltz Photo - Front Tom Glavine Photo - Front


1990 Donruss GRAND SLAMMERS
1 Williams With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
2 Leonard With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
3 James With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
4 McGwire With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
5 Evans With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
6 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
7 Sciocia With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
8 Benzinger With Black Lines on Back - Yellow Star in All Star - Front Without Black Lines on Back With Red Star in All-Star - Front
9 McGriff With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
10 Bass With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
11 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
12 Jackson With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back


Yastzremski Puzzle Pieces
1,2,3 With Period Without Period
4,5,6 With Period Without Period
7,8,9 With Period Without Period
10,11,12 With Period Without Period
13,14,15 With Period Without Period
16,17,18 With Period Without Period
19,20,21 With Period Without Period
22,23,24 With Period Without Period
25,26,27 With Period Without Period
28,29,30 With Period Without Period
31,32,33 With Period Without Period
34,35,36 With Period Without Period
37,38,39 With Period Without Period
40,41,42 With Period Without Period
43,44,45 With Period Without Period | With Period in front of 43 only
46,47,48 With Period Without Period
49,50,51 With Period Without Period
52,53,54 With Period Without Period
55,56,57 With Period Without Period
58,59,60 With Period Without Period
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Default 1982 Topps Jim Palmer with ink issues

I found this card looking through my cards this afternoon. The line on the left changes from orange to red and the ink seems smeared in multiple places. Also the words Topps and Jim Palmer should be in orange and not red. Though it was interesting.
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Default 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659

The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).
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And please, be a responsible collector. If you see someone advertising a Donruss card as an error because it doesn't have a period after "INC" do the right thing, kick them in the jublees.

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The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).
Interesting. I never noticed those. Are they unnumbered? From what I understand, all of the Ryans are unnumbered in factory sets. Actually, that could just be the King of Kings card.

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I would be remiss if I did not share my list so here it is. This comes from my Excel Spreadsheet. So it runs together a bit. Consider each card listed with two descriptions of the variation to that card number.

With the exception of 695 Davis "E R Break - Recent Major League Performance" which I have never seen, I have everything on this list.

1990 Donruss Baseball Variations UPDATED: 6/20

3 Sierra No Small Line Top Back Border Small Line Top Back Border
10 Downing Normal Photo Reverse Photo
18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner
33 Gonzalez Normal Photo Reverse Photo
100 Checklist #1 - #129 #1 - #125
113 Gruber Feb 22 Birthdate - Back Feb 26 Birthdate - Back
154 Orosco Black Line under 'r' in Orosco Black Line behind 'r' in Orosco
168 Murphy "D" is White - Front Half line through "D" - Front
170 McCaskill Apr 19 Birthdate - Back Apr 9 Birthdate - Back
200 Checklist #130 - #231 #126 - #223
206 Bell "G" Open Bottom Loop - Front "G" Filled Bottom Loop - Front
217 Garrelts Oct 20 Birthdate Oct 30 Birthdate - Back
233 Davis "E" and "r" Joined - Front "E" and "r" Broken - Front
270 Jefferies Open "G" & "J" Loop - Front "G" and "J" Loop Closed - Front
300 Checklist #232 - #333 #224 - #321
321 Hamilton Solid Top Line - Front Top Line Break 1/16 From Right - Front
347 Roberts Line Breaks "B"ip - Front "B"ip is solid white - Front
365 Griffey Jr. No Red Dot on Cap - Front Red Dot on Cap (All over him) - Front
368 Gibson May 25 Birthdate - Back May 28 Birthdate - Back
400 Checklist #334 - #435 #322 - #419
405 Valdez "S" is all White - Front Broken Line Through "S" - Front
408 Innis Mostly Red Scratch Upper Right - Front Scratch more White Upper Right - Front
425 Wells Maple Leaf Touches Bottom Border - Front Gap between Maple Leaf and Bottom Border - Front
500 Checklist #436 - #537 #420 - #517
523 Nezelek Born in 1985 Born in 1965
583 Hickey "K" Is White - Front "K" Has Line Through It - Front
585 Pico Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
600 Checklist #538 - #639 #518 - #617
619 Hillegas Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
637 Steinback All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
637 Steinback Black 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - RMLP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thinner in name Front - ASGP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thicker in name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black Lines thinner in name Front - RMLP Back
639 Morris All White "J" - Front Line Through "J" - Front
650 Jackson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
654 Johnson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
659 Ryan #659 Card Back #665 Card Back
660 Baines No Star Line Front - All Star Back No Star Line Front - Recent Back
660 Baines Line Through Star - All Star Back Line Through Star - Recent Back
663 Reuschel All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
665 Ryan K of K #665 Card Back No Card Number on Back #659 Card Back
673 Sierra All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
674 Guerrero All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
676 Ripken All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
683 Puckett All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
692 Sandberg All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - All Star Game Performance E R Break - All Star Game Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - Recent Major League Performance E R Break - Recent Major League Performance
697 McGwire All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
699 Canale "G" All White - Front Line Through Right "G" Loop - Front
700 Checklist #640 - #BC26 Includes #716 No #716 #618 - #716
701 Franco All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance AS Partial 19 in "1989" - Back AS Whole 19 in "1989" - Back
703 Stewart All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
705 Gwynn All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
707 Clark All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
708 Santiago All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
710 Smith All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
712 Boggs All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
715 Mitchell All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
716 Giamatti Black Lines on Back No Black Lines on Back
BC-12 Smoltz John Smoltz Photo - Front Tom Glavine Photo - Front


1990 Donruss GRAND SLAMMERS
1 Williams With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
2 Leonard With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
3 James With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
4 McGwire With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
5 Evans With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
6 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
7 Sciocia With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
8 Benzinger With Black Lines on Back - Yellow Star in All Star - Front Without Black Lines on Back With Red Star in All-Star - Front
9 McGriff With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
10 Bass With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
11 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
12 Jackson With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back


Yastzremski Puzzle Pieces
1,2,3 With Period Without Period
4,5,6 With Period Without Period
7,8,9 With Period Without Period
10,11,12 With Period Without Period
13,14,15 With Period Without Period
16,17,18 With Period Without Period
19,20,21 With Period Without Period
22,23,24 With Period Without Period
25,26,27 With Period Without Period
28,29,30 With Period Without Period
31,32,33 With Period Without Period
34,35,36 With Period Without Period
37,38,39 With Period Without Period
40,41,42 With Period Without Period
43,44,45 With Period Without Period | With Period in front of 43 only
46,47,48 With Period Without Period
49,50,51 With Period Without Period
52,53,54 With Period Without Period
55,56,57 With Period Without Period
58,59,60 With Period Without Period
Thanks for sharing your list. Would it be too much to ask for a scan of this:

18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner

I just want to know what to look for and it's easiest if I see it.

The messed up part is that I have been so anal about this pursuit I even kept the puzzle pieces. I have a 5,000 ct monster box of nothing but puzzle pieces. I think I have a problem.

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Thanks for sharing your list. Would it be too much to ask for a scan of this:

18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner

I just want to know what to look for and it's easiest if I see it.

The messed up part is that I have been so anal about this pursuit I even kept the puzzle pieces. I have a 5,000 ct monster box of nothing but puzzle pieces. I think I have a problem.

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No problem at all. Both top and bottom are wide and narrower respectively. And no worries about a 5k box of puzzles. The first thing is identifying you have an addiction. So, welcome! : - )

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Thanks for the Ryan additions. More to find!

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So, this sorta fits this category. This is a variation!

Topps Live Frank Howard White personal stats on back. 1511 total print run.
Topps Live Frank Howard Black personal stats on back. 10 total print run.

I'm happy to have found 1 of the 10.

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Interesting. I never noticed those. Are they unnumbered? From what I understand, all of the Ryans are unnumbered in factory sets. Actually, that could just be the King of Kings card.

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I think it is just the King of Kings card that is unnumbered, the variations I posted have numbers on the back. I don't remember exactly why I came to the belief that the star placement variation came from factory sets so that could be wrong.

Thank you and butchie_t for your lists of 1990 Donruss variations. It was the first set that got me into errors as a kid. My father took me to a card show where dealers were asking around $20 for the Harold Baines line through star variation and since rookie and star player cards were a couple of dollars at most my kid brain was like "Woah! I want the errors!".

I remember going to a local card store a month or so later and they had 1990 Donruss boxes that they called "4th printing" which they said only contained the Juan Gonzalez error. I have heard some people claim there were somewhere around 12 printings or more in total but no idea if that is correct.

I've always hoped there would end up being a couple that were truly rare/hard to find but I guess that is probably a long shot at this point.

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I found this card looking through my cards this afternoon. The line on the left changes from orange to red and the ink seems smeared in multiple places. Also the words Topps and Jim Palmer should be in orange and not red. Though it was interesting.
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I think it is just the King of Kings card that is unnumbered, the variations I posted have numbers on the back. I don't remember exactly why I came to the belief that the star placement variation came from factory sets so that could be wrong.

Thank you and butchie_t for your lists of 1990 Donruss variations. It was the first set that got me into errors as a kid. My father took me to a card show where dealers were asking around $20 for the Harold Baines line through star variation and since rookie and star player cards were a couple of dollars at most my kid brain was like "Woah! I want the errors!".

I remember going to a local card store a month or so later and they had 1990 Donruss boxes that they called "4th printing" which they said only contained the Juan Gonzalez error. I have heard some people claim there were somewhere around 12 printings or more in total but no idea if that is correct.

I've always hoped there would end up being a couple that were truly rare/hard to find but I guess that is probably a long shot at this point.
I keep track of the case codes whenever I rip a case and then enter everything into a spreadsheet to see the chronology of the E&Vs. I've got nine different dates covered so far (all "error cases") and three more to rip and sort. Each of the nine dates I've sorted have had a unique checklist of what is and what isn't available, even if it's just a few cards that change status from the previous date.

I don't know what the first distribution date is and I'm not sure how anyone else would know either but someone would have to do what I'm doing except on a much larger scale in order to number "printings." The Gonzalez should not be considered difficult if you have an error box. But like all the '90 Donruss cards from the early printings, finding a gem mint copy is basically the plo of the next Indiana Jones movie.

Out of all the cases I've ripped, I've only pulled mint copies of the Juan RevNeg.

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I keep track of the case codes whenever I rip a case and then enter everything into a spreadsheet to see the chronology of the E&Vs. I've got nine different dates covered so far (all "error cases") and three more to rip and sort. Each of the nine dates I've sorted have had a unique checklist of what is and what isn't available, even if it's just a few cards that change status from the previous date.

I don't know what the first distribution date is and I'm not sure how anyone else would know either but someone would have to do what I'm doing except on a much larger scale in order to number "printings." The Gonzalez should not be considered difficult if you have an error box. But like all the '90 Donruss cards from the early printings, finding a gem mint copy is basically the plo of the next Indiana Jones movie.

Out of all the cases I've ripped, I've only pulled mint copies of the Juan RevNeg.

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There is a case on eBay now, M9335C. I am foggy on my number but I believe it was lower than this one.

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There is a case on eBay now, M9335C. I am foggy on my number but I believe it was lower than this one.

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I've opened a case earlier than the one on eBay and there's no real advantage to paying the price for that case.

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No chance of that happening on my end. I just happened to see it during my recent searches.

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No one ever mentions the 'hair' variation of the 1987 Donruss Dave Winfield Diamond King:

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The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).
The card on the right is definitely the factory set version. You can see the position placement is different and it has those tell-tale semi "rounded" corners that Donruss factory set cards have.
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The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.
I don't collect those cards, but there's a drastic difference in the background 'splatter dot' patterns as well, with completely different layouts on each of the two cards shown. Unless those types of differences are found throughout the cards in the set, then it becomes a quick and easy telltale sign to distinguish between the different versions.
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Does anyone have the image someone created that shows all of the possible backs for '89 Donruss? I know it's combinations of *Denotes*, spaces in the bio, and glow under blue light effect but I have no idea what I did with that image. If anyone as it I'd really appreciate it if you could post it here. Thanks!

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Best to checkout Trading Card DataBase. They seem to have a detailed documentation of all things Donruss 90's variations. Not to mention that would be a separate thread than this one. It needs a thread all of its own.
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Just found out this existed. I can't imagine there are too many of them out there.


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I don't know if this is actually a variation or just a one-off but I found this Jack Morris interesting while going through my 91 Topps.

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This one is recurring. Not a normal fisheye type defect these two Roger Craig cards have what looks like a perfect O

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There are a ridiculous amount of color variations in the 91 topps but I think the Hassey is kind of cool compared to some of the others with the blue banner/green borders and the black banner turquois borders.


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Is it just me or are others having an issue seeing Pat R's images? Haven't been able to see a one, here or on the 1991 Variations thread. just a little icon in the post.
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Is it just me or are others having an issue seeing Pat R's images? Haven't been able to see a one, here or on the 1991 Variations thread. just a little icon in the post.
It is fairly common and always has been for me and others I have emailed with about it. Can you see anything at all? If nothing try another device. I have one member that I can only see his pictures on one of 5 different devices I have. Now if you see a broken link you can click on it and use the open in new tab option. It will open another tap that you will need to sign in again to actually see the picture. Then you can go back and refresh the original page and all that persons pictures will appear until you leave that page.
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On a weird note I see the image in this post but no pics in any of your other posts. For me I get the broken link symbol in your other posts and have to open them in a new tab to see them.
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Three different versions of the top frame on Mickey Tettleton's 91 topps

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Someone knew that Tino would eventually wear the Yankee pinstripes.

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I have found a few variations of a variation in the 91 topps but this is the best one.
An Al Leiter E* F* sheet code with a small 0 in the number and a break in the line for the major league totals

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I don't know if anyone is still updating the 91 topps list but the Leiter is for sure a variation of the E*F* variation. Both have glow backs.

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Hi Pat,

I may be missing something but the Leiter seems to be a pretty standard example of a fish eye print flaw, I don't believe that kind of thing generally qualifies for a new addition to most master lists.
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I may be missing something but the Leiter seems to be a pretty standard example of a fish eye print flaw, I don't believe that kind of thing generally qualifies for a new addition to most master lists.
Yeah my mistake I was getting the lists mixed up and was thinking of it as kind of like the chipper with the pink. Well at least this Drabek was in the box that had the two Leiters in it.

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Kind of cool "multi-colored donut" flaw.

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That's weird.
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1987 Topps Dave Dravecky #470

Line break in the logo circle





Found another on COMC


1987 Topps - [Base] #470 - Dave Dravecky
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