Stolen Card on Ebay

[Bocabirdman]

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

[frankh8147]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

That was on my mind too..however, if you take a close look at the card- you can see 'LEWIS" written and erased between his legs when you zoom in. He has it marked as 'excellent' and doesnt disclose this so that kind of takes away some of his credibility in my eyes.

[EvilKing00]

I can say, that recently a board member emailed me with some t205s he wanted to sell, he said he had no clue what they were worth. I guess i could of lied to him, but i didnt. Told him what they were worth and that I couldnt afford them.

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I can say, that recently a board member emailed me with some t205s he wanted to sell, he said he had no clue what they were worth. I guess i could of lied to him, but i didnt. Told him what they were worth and that I couldnt afford them.

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

I see no difference here King, either way you are not entitled to keep it IMO.

[flavius]

It is of course completely unethical, and it's unfortunate that he is selling it off. However, I just don't think "stolen" is the right way to word it. It was misplaced, and SCL will be compensating you for it. You can probably have them win the ebay auction and ship it back to you.

There is a chance the seller doesn't even know it was supposed to go to someone else, but my main point is that this is much more SCL's fault than it is the person it was accidently shipped to.

Sorry if I turned some heads...

[frankh8147]

I think that after a few messages between you and the seller, this will be cut and dry. That 'Lewis' which is written and erased under Cobb's legs is pretty hard to dispute. Just go to the page where you originally bought this card, show that the the signature is exactly the same and its going to be hard to dispute...

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by flavius

There is a chance the seller doesn't even know it was supposed to go to someone else

Yes, this is extremely possible.

If you couldn't tell this is sarcasm.

[Exhibitman]

It might not be "stolen" but it is really, really sleazy to try and profit from an AH mistake like that. Golden Rule and all...

[Fred]

Originally Posted by flavius

"this is much more SCL's fault than it is the person it was accidently shipped to.

Sorry if I turned some heads...

Fault? I'm going to guess it was an honest mistake on the part of the shipper.

Perhaps your initial post was taken out of context but the part that indicated there was no obligation to return the card probably hit people the wrong way.

[flavius]

While it would be ideal that the person who received the card returned it, you should expect people to be greedy and so to speak "steal" things that are sent to them in the mail for free. He is definitely under no legal obligation to return the card for now...

I would not worry chris, you will most definitely be compensated decently for this incident.

[Exhibitman]

Keep diggin' Flav. You're halfway to China about now on this one.

Mistake, screw-up, shipping error, whatever you want to call it does not change the nature of the behavior of the ebay seller. It isn't nice, it isn't ethical, and it certainly isn't laudable, admirable or praiseworthy.

I don't "expect" people to keep things sent to them by mistake, especially when they know who sent it and how to return it. I expect them to be honest, speak up, and not seek to screw someone else just because they can. From time to time I get something by mistake from an ebay seller or an auctioneer. I don't just take it and run. I contact the sender and arrange to return it. And I would hope that if I ever make a similar mistake the recipient will have the class and the courtesy to cut me a break. I may be naive but I am pleasantly surprised all the time in this Hobby by the honest and generous behaviors of fellow collectors and sellers and I hope it stays that way. When greedy, sleazy behavior is the expectation, it isn't fun anymore and I'm outta here.

[poorlydrawncat]

Originally Posted by flavius

While it would be ideal that the person who received the card returned it, you should expect people to be greedy and so to speak "steal" things that are sent to them in the mail for free. He is definitely under no legal obligation to return the card for now...

I would not worry chris, you will most definitely be compensated decently for this incident.

Unfortunately Flavius is likely correct regarding the law. In most states, there is no legal obligation to return or pay for items sent to you that you did not order. This is to prevent companies from sending unsolicited items and then demanding payment for them. Of course, it also means that people who are sent items legitimately by mistake generally have no obligation to return or pay for them.

Of course, even if there's no legal liability there could be some civil liability. Who knows what would happen if this were sent to small-claims court...

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by flavius

While it would be ideal that the person who received the card returned it, you should expect people to be greedy and so to speak "steal" things that are sent to them in the mail for free. He is definitely under no legal obligation to return the card for now...

I would not worry chris, you will most definitely be compensated decently for this incident.

What the %%%%

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by flavius

While it would be ideal that the person who received the card returned it, you should expect people to be greedy and so to speak "steal" things that are sent to them in the mail for free. He is definitely under no legal obligation to return the card for now...

I would not worry chris, you will most definitely be compensated decently for this incident.

Wow.......what happened to your set of ethics?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by flavius

While it would be ideal that the person who received the card returned it, you should expect people to be greedy and so to speak "steal" things that are sent to them in the mail for free. He is definitely under no legal obligation to return the card for now...

I would not worry chris, you will most definitely be compensated decently for this incident.

Um, if someone sent you something by mistake and you sold it you'd be converting someone else's property to your own. Similarly, if a bank mistakenly puts $1 million in your bank account and you withdraw it and keep it, you're committing a crime. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact.

[pclpads]

[I]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

Reminds me of the Yogi-ism when asked what he'd do if he found a million dollars: "If the guy was poor, I'd give it back."

[lharri3600]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

Good point Mike. I know Kevin and I just don't think he would do something like that. However, I could be wrong here.