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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: robert a
Anyone have any cards that have blank fronts, but complete backs? |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: leon
Sorry for the other images...ya take the good with the bad.... |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: scott brockelman
Sorry, no image available at this time. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: leon
Long time no talk to. You feel my T204 blank front is really just the other half of the card, correct? Ramlys were made in 2 halfs and glued together if I remember the conversation correctly....or am I mistaking ?....Have you seen T204s that were pulling apart, from front to back? |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
Here are just a few: |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: mr. moses
are these cards you've created like the blanks you showed in a prior thread? I am sort of new to the board. Am I understanding correctly that you investigate and explore card alteration and card anomalies? If that is in fact your mission I applaud you. If not I apologize for the assumption. If you want to respond to my email that's fine or not at all that's fine too. I'm easy going |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
If Kevin did create those I certainly wouldn’t applaud him…if anything I would avoid doing any kind of transaction with him at all costs. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Marc S.
<<If Kevin did create those I certainly wouldn’t applaud him…if anything I would avoid doing any kind of transaction with him at all costs.>> |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
Marc, |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: dennis
kevins policy seems to be "show" but don't "tell" how to detect the alterations. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: scott brockelman
Leon, yes I believe that card to be the back 1/2 of a 2 part Ramly, 2 part Ramly's were the first to be produced before the more common solid stock most are used. I have about 2 dozen of the 2 part cards, on most the edges which overlap are fairly easy to see with the naked eye. I have seen 1 2 part Ramly with the back adhered upside down. When you see a blank back Ramly that is not one of the 6 square frame fronts chances are nearly 100% it was a 2 part card on which the back was soaked off. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: robert a
I'm really not interested in seeing altered cards either. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: mr. moses
invented sarcasm. I don't use it as I might confuse myself. I say I applaud him for at the very least enlightening the correct target audience about things that can and probably are being done to alter cards. Period. I wish Clint Eastwood could come around and clean things up. Not everyone wants or needs to share to the same degree that Barry or David R. or others do. The couple of threads I've seen about altered cards and some of Kevin's thoughts by example are interesting and important. If I wasn't so lazy I'd a start a new thread about this. It's probably already been done before so maybe I'm off the hook. I love my hobby. I want to explore the history. I want to protect myself. I want to be an educated consumer. I'll listen to just about anything anyone wants to share on the subject........ |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: MVSNYC
after collecting T206's for nearly 20 years now, and having sorted thru 1,000's of cards, i can safely say that i have never seen a blank FRONT T206...and have only encountered merely a few blank backs. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Kevin Sacuier
These are cards that would never be offered for sale at any price. Interestingly enough I had to turn down several offers just from this one post. Making money from altered cards is not what I do. True, I have never sold a doctored card. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
“Just throwing these out to say again, that everyone in this hobby should always think twice before buying print errors, blanks (front or back), or other cards that are outside of the norm.” |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: quan
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
Quan...LOL now that's a classic! |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: davidcycleback
I have 1980s blank front uncut sheets, and I've seen numerous 1980s blank front singles. The singles are usually production errors, like blank backs and upside down backs. Many came from the wax packes. I remember pulling a 1979 Topps blank back from a pack. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Dylan
Wonkaticket i think your going a bit hard on the guy. I dont know anyone else on this board that has shown the ability to alter cards to the degree Kevin can. Why dont you just run him off the board so we can learn next to nothing from him? Because i guarantdamnT there are others out there just as (or more?) skilled then Kevin altering cards to make a profit. Maybe not obscure alterations like blank fronts, but certainly more subtle things. So why not let him showcase his alterations so atleast there out in the open? Full disclosure is what we all want in this hobby. And you seem to be upset that Kevin shows but doesnt tell you how step by step how to alter cards...well be careful what you ask for... informing graders in private and a bunch of baseball card collecting nuts on an open forum are two different things entirely. Maybe you guys are so quick to jump on his case because he knows how to alter cards and altering cards is BAD! And Wonka your comment stating hes not altering cards as long no one can detect it.. out of line. You dont know Kevin, why do you question his integrity? Because he alters his own cards in his personal collection? How does that have anything to do with me buying a good ole common T206 from the guy? According to you i better run like hell from anycard Kevin lists though right? |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
I haven't displayed my T206 Piedmont back with a blank front since I cannot find it in all my "junk". |
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Posted By: mr. moses
amazing. I'm glad your skin is tough Kevin - and I for one appreciate the posts and the efforts. Amazing how narrow minded and miopic some can be.......... I don't think there are a lot of "error" cards in the market that are fakes. Price not high enough for them to justify the work and the cards themselves are scrutinzed more. I don't know kevin.. I think his posts are just SUGGESTIVE - a quick mental note for them what would move blindly forward without thought - a reminder from your mother that there's bad people out there trying to seperate you from your money. I don't recall he ever said the sky was falling; just that it's prudent to know that things aren't always what they seem.......... |
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Posted By: leon
I appreciate Kevin coming on and sharing what he does. Thank you very much.....99% of us appreciate it. Could you tell a little more? Sure, but I will take what I can get. Please don't let the vocal minority piss you off and leave us. If I left everytime I got pissed because someone was doing something I didn't like I would never be on the board. There are many on here who say how bad Net54 is and how evil I am....yet they continue posting. No big deal as I know I try to help as much as I can and do the best I can with the board...You will never make everyone happy no matter what you do. As long as you do what you feel is right then that is what will continue to lead you...and prove satisfactory in your "gut"..... I live it everyday and continue the path......... |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: dstudeba
There are several collectors read this forum who are not "advanced" and appreciate the information that Kevin gives. I count myself amoung these. How else would we become "advanced" without educating ourselves? Until I saw Kevin's scans I would not have been wary of a blank front t206, now at least I have more information in hand if I were to consider buying one. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Scott B.
Ted, |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I like Kevin's posts. At the least, they make you think. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
Dylan, |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
Leon, |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
The T206 T-brands and their associated cigarette packs were pre-printed at the same facility. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: dstudeba
From Kevin's post I learned that it is possible to make blank fronted T cards. I did not know this before. I was therefore educated by his post. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
dstudeba, |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: leon
Just speaking my mind as you are ....that's all.....I believe you are in the minority with coming off the way you do about Kevin.....You don't seem to appreciate the bits of knowledge he passes on while the majority of us do....That's really not that difficult to understand is it? |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
I still fail to see how the above image educated us in any way; it was only after I asked if they were real or fake, Kevin clued us in a bit. Sorry if I find that an odd way to enlighten us all Leon. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: leon
I don't disagree that it would be nice to come forward with more details. But the question then is.....Is what is being brought forward better than silence? Since it makes us question what we are doing then I say emphatically "yes". Just as you and I can have a debate now so can Kevin dispense what knowledge he wants to. I do agree that less sleuthing and more hard facts would be great.....But anything is better than nothing, imho.... |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: robert a
I agree with John completely. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: JimB
Kevin is a bit reckless in his accusations. There are legitimate print errors and blank backs that have all lost their value because of Kevin's less-than-skillful way of presenting this topic to the public. He may be an expert at altering cards, but he is far from being an expert at making his knowledge useful to others. He made accusations about a card of mine that, based on information I received from the previous owner, I believe to be false. But he irreparably tarnished the image of that card on a public forum without having any first-hand knowledge of the card. If he is attempting to be some sort of saint of the hobby, then please provide something other than fear. Thus far it seems he has only scared a lot of people and perhaps given the more devious some new ideas. |
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Posted By: quan
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Posted By: leon
ok...so maybe I am the minority? .....I am white, Jewish, and going bald....and left handed to boot....That has to be some sort of minority.... |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: John
I’m white and bald too Leon…so no special treatment there. However you do have me on the left handed Jewish thing…but one could always convert. (to being Jewish that is I cant learn to write left handed now). |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Paul S
Here's my double-blank front t206 Honus Wagner (or is it double back? I forget.) Pissed me off when I finally received it and saw that crease. Gratefully, the grading company has agreed to assign it a number grade. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: leon
Looks trimmed at the bottom .....(jk) |
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Posted By: dstudeba
"Thus far it seems he has only scared a lot of people and perhaps given the more devious some new ideas." |
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Posted By: Cat
The only part of Leon's post that I don't understand is that part that states: "going bald." |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Bob
That is not a front blank M116. I guess it's possible that the front surface was peeled off to make it so or the M116 back was added but that is not an M116 front without printing. |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: MVSNYC
OK, a few of kevin's posts have been informative to me (i.e. realizing that cards can be skinned and made to look like they are either blank back or blank front)...it actually helped me by putting up a red flag now, whenever i see blank back cards...so for opening my eyes to it, i thank you... |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: barrysloate
White, balding, Jewish, and right-handed...and while I do feel Kevin's posts are informative, it would be nice if something more positive about the hobby came his way. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
In Base Ball and Tennis you have an advantage if you are a real Southpaw. Ask Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Scott B.
Ted, |
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Posted By: Dylan
Perhaps if you approach Kevin in a private email instead of on a public forum his answers may a little less "cryptic" just an idea... I think the main point Kevins trying to get across is while there are factory misprints and printing scrap, etc. there is also the potential for some to be homeade examples too. The people that trim/alter cards and try and sell them as if they didnt, those are the real bad guys. If Kevin were one of those guys it would seem pretty self defeating for him to come on an open forum and discuss his abilities to do so wouldnt it wonka? |
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blank FRONTS for t206 or others?
Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
Scott B. |
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