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Back in the day the biggest concern about slabbed cards was that someone would exchange/swap a card in the holder (WIWAG was one of the first) and defraud people to make their money. Today, TPGs grade on a much larger scale and do it less accurately which results in a lot of people that are not getting what they paid for. What boggles the mind is that we're not talking hundreds of dollars but 10s of thousands of dollars (and more).
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Remember, they knew Gary was passing trimmed cards through them 20 years ago, and did nothing to stop it. And many of the cards outed over the last five years have been laughable, even from PSA.
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It looks narrow compared to the very wide SGC 80. Not so sure it looks that narrow compared to the average card in this issue. I am guessing if someone had just posted the 8.5 by itself, you wouldn't be making that blind bat comment.
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I don't know I think if you have seen this card in your hand raw you would say something is wrong here, you know better. Just me idk...it’s small... that's all.
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Look at all the WWGs on ebay and tell me if you still think it's obviously narrow. Size seems to vary.
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If I was being paid hundreds of dollars to be sure if it was trimmed or not among other things I'd darn sure know how to tell. (I do now, but would be extra dilligent, which apparently isn't at all how grading is done.)
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Well that one left A LOT of cardboard on the cutting room floor. When will mistakes of this magnitude start to hurt the Opinion Sellers' business? I would have thought long ago.
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It's a sin to destroy a beautiful card like that.
One phrase I've noticed a couple times is "full boarders". For example when people are talking about the condition of a card they'll say "Great centering, strong color & full boarders". I suspect this phrase will become more & more common in the coming years. Shout out to BODA (BlowOut Detective Agency) for all their amazing work. |
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Guess what check the Pop this has now been bumped the Wagner that’s right to a PSA 10 Check the Pop WOW SO COOL WHAT A GREAT CARD THIS IS THE GRAIL now a 10 WOW The card deserves it!! Does anyone think this was done in error?? Last edited by Johnny630; 02-27-2023 at 06:48 AM. |
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The person who originally graded it told me he couldn't see any trimming, and had no other evidence of alterations, so he graded it correctly at an 8. No conspiracy, no nothing. Now, after the fact and with other evidence, it's a different story. Trimming will never be an exact science and many are hard to tell, at best. .
As far as it being a 10...just some kind of gamesmanship or joke. Concerning the original DiMaggio card, whomever graded it should have measured it first. Big mistake. The BODA group does a fantastic job. Kudos to them and I hope they keep going forever and a day!!
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9. Customer acknowledges and agrees the grading and/or authentication of items requires the exercise of individual judgment and professional opinion, which is subjective in nature, and can change from time to time. Therefore, SGC makes no warranty or representation and shall have no liability whatsoever to Customer for the grade or determination of authenticity assigned by SGC to any item. 20. Except as expressly set forth herein to the contrary, SGC DISCLAIMS ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, REGARDING SGC’S GOODS AND SERVICES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 22. SGC OR ANY OF ITS AFFILIATES, OR ANY OF ITS OR THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS OR AGENTS SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, CONSEQUENTIAL OR OTHER DAMAGES, NOR SHALL SGC OR ANY OF ITS AFFILIATES, OR ANY OF ITS OR THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS OR AGENTS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHICH ARE BASED UPON ALLEGED NEGLIGENCE, BREACH OF WARRANTY, STRICT LIABILITY, OR ANY THEORY OTHER THAN THE LIMITED LIABILITY STATED HEREIN, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SAME. Oh, and the final kick in the nuts for the customer who trusted SGC: "25. Customer agrees to indemnify, defend and hold SGC and (as applicable) its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, directors, agents, and employees, harmless from any loss, claim or demand, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, made by any third party due to or arising out of or related to the submission of an item to SGC, related to the grade and/or determination of authenticity assigned by SGC, any services or products provided by SGC to Customer, Customer’s breach of this Agreement or the documents it incorporates by reference, or customer’s violation of any law or the rights of a third party. This indemnification will survive termination." Yep, you read it right. If SGC messes up and the hapless buyer of the card comes a knockin', SGC will not only refuse to pay for its mistake, SGC will make its customer pay for its mistake. I wish I could write that sort of crap into my retainer. It would save me a fortune in malpractice insurance if i could just disclaim liability for any mistakes I might make. Hell, if i could do that I'd probably lose 40# of stress weight and not have gastritis every other day at work.
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POP IS CORRECTED NOW IT’S back to a 8
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In any event does anyone claim it was pack issued as opposed to being sheet cut?
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The PSA grader, Bill Hughes, runs a baseball card and comic shop currently. He is super nice and seems as honest as the day is long. He also sets up at local shows. I have no reason not to believe him. Also, I have not seen anyone say this was a pack issued card BUT, when graded, I am pretty sure the origin wasn't known, otherwise I don't think Bill would have graded it. * I corrected my statement as it was an AH that was taken out of context, concerning one of my items. It was not me that was quoted. .
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From what I understand Bill Mastro cut that card from an oversized football shape to the size of a normal T206 card, it measures correctly and might even be slightly larger than a normal T206 card, personally I would describe it as hand cut/sheet cut rather than trimmed.
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