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Old 11-27-2022, 10:42 AM
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Default 1962 Salada Coins

Needing some help understanding the Salada checklist. I know the first issue was 180 coins and then expanded to 200 with the entry of the Mets and 45s. Each team had 10 coins but I believe only 13 of the 20 were new players (8 Houston and 5 Mets). I’ve read that 21 players were added with the new issue and 21 were dropped from the original 180. Finally my understanding is there are 221 different players excluding team changes, variations, etc. Somebody help me. I can’t make this math work. Anyone have a list of the players that were dropped and those added?
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Old 11-27-2022, 05:11 PM
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Hi Richard,

There were 180 coins initially released. They added 20 for the 2 new expansion teams. They also took the opportunity to correct 21 errors in the first release.

So 180 original + 20 for the expansion teams + 21 for the correction= 221
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Thanks, and perhaps the checklist I’ve been using is wrong. But the 20 players added were not all new to the checklist. For instance #123a Zimmer was in the original 180 as a Cub and was then shown (123b) as one of the 10 Mets in the 200 edition. I believe only 13 of the 20 players comprising the Mets and 45s checklists are “new” players. Only 5 Mets are “new” and 8 45s are “new”. Several articles I’ve read have said 21 players were dropped from the original 180 issue and 21 new (different) players were added for the 200 edition. But to bring the total number of different players to 221, then 28 new players would have to be added. What am I missing?
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Interesting subject, I know on the Cubs the original print run had Ed Bouchee, Richie Ashburn, Don Zimmer, Ernie Banks as an outfielder, and Andre Rodgers as a shortstop, on the next print run Bouchee, Ashburn, and Zimmer were discontinued as Cubs and replaced by Jim McKnight, Bob Will, and Billy Williams, the Banks was changed to shortstop and the Rodgers was changed to first base to keep a player at every position for the plastic shield that held the coins, I presume.
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Here’s the checklist from Keyman Collectibles:

http://keymancollectibles.com/miscel...nschecklis.htm
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I probably should have been clearer in my original post. I believe there are more than 221 coins if you include the variations/errors. I was only explaining how the expansion teams and the updates got from 180 to the total of 221 the op was mentioning.

My checklist for the 1962 Salada includes 269 coins (with all the variations) which is 5 more than Keyman Collectibles. These are the 5 not in the Keyman Collectibles list:
  • 64b Bobby Richardson (Black Disc)
  • 64c Bobby Richardson (Red Disc)
  • 64d Bobby Richardson (White Disc)
  • 126b Joe Jay (Brown Sleeves)
  • 192b John DeMerit (no glove)

This thread has some great info. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=281441

If Whiteymet sees this thread, I'm sure he can provide more clarity.
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Every thread needs some pictures. Here's a 1962 Salada presentation set that was recently sold.
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I probably should have been clearer in my original post. I believe there are more than 221 coins if you include the variations/errors. I was only explaining how the expansion teams and the updates got from 180 to the total of 221 the op was mentioning.

My checklist for the 1962 Salada includes 269 coins (with all the variations) which is 5 more than Keyman Collectibles. These are the 5 not in the Keyman Collectibles list:
  • 64b Bobby Richardson (Black Disc)
  • 64c Bobby Richardson (Red Disc)
  • 64d Bobby Richardson (White Disc)
  • 126b Joe Jay (Brown Sleeves)
  • 192b John DeMerit (no glove)



This thread has some great info. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=281441

If Whiteymet sees this thread, I'm sure he can provide more clarity.
I believe I have one more for your list - 207 Billy Williams was done in both red and blue disc's.
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It wasn't uncommon for these to be put in the wrong color plastic holder during production and on top of that anyone could remove a player disc and put it in any color plastic holder right now if they wanted to.
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Rog that. Looking at the Presentation Box the Cubs should only be Red. In addition then, the Bobby Richardson's are not varations. Thanks.
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Thanks. I had seen that thread which really prompted my question. Sources always refer to the 21 coins dropped and the 21 new coins added. Likewise there’s agreement that there are 221 different players in the checklist disregarding variations, team, changes, poses etc. But since players such as Zimmer who is on the Mets checklist in the 200-coin edition is not “new”since he is shown as a Cub in the 180-coin issue, so he doesn’t add to the different player count. In addition to Zimmer, 4 other Mets players are in the 180 set as are 2 of the Houston players. So 7 players represented on the 2 expansion teams are not “new” players. So…..to get to 221 different players seems like 28 “new” players (not including Mets or Colt45s) had to be added. At the end of the day, the checklist of 221 different players is straightforward but it would be interesting to know which 21 players were dropped when the second edition was produced.
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(I)t would be interesting to know which 21 players were dropped when the second edition was produced.
I could do it team by team but I don't know if anyone wants 18 more posts on this thread, but I did the White Sox and came up with this: the original 10 position players for the plastic shield were Sievers 1B, Fox 2B, Aparicio SS, Carey 3B, Lollar C, A Smith OF, Minoso OF, Landis OF, Pierce P, Wynn P. When the lineup was updated in the 2nd printing Buzhardt replaced Pierce at Pitcher, C Smith replaced Carey at 3rd Base, Cunningham replaced Sievers at 1st Base, and Fl Robinson replaced Minoso at Outfield, so Pierce and Sievers were removed from the set, and Minoso and Carey changed teams. So that means Richie Ashburn, Ed Bouchee, Billy Pierce, and Roy Sievers are four of the players removed from the set after the first printing, I would have to do it team by team to figure out the other players who were removed completely after the first printing.
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I did five more teams, the Dodgers, Angels, Pirates, Phillies, and Red Sox, and the Red Sox are the only one of those teams that had players removed after the first printing, a 1st Baseman (Vic Wertz), an outfielder (Jackie Jensen, I think), and a pitcher (Tom Brewer, I think). The Pirates didn't have a single player changed throughout all of the printings. That makes seven players removed after the first printing so far.
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Hi Gang:

As Jim said above you can read a lot about the 62 Salada coins in the link he posted to an earlier conversation here on Net 54..I am advanced Salada collector going all the way back to 1962 when I was 12 and buying Salada tea and Junket custard to get the coins. All my extended family also saved the coins for me.

To start off I'll try to answer the OP Richard about the numbers. I say I'll TRY because it gets very complicated and will depend on what each collector will want to chase.

Richard asked what the 21 coins were that were dropped. they are #'s 2, 4, 6, 11, 18, 26, 30, 60, 66, 70, 73, 79, 84, 89, 104, 116, 121, 148, 162, 171 and 179. These are the 21 Short Prints.

I have copies of company records where for example one internal "memo" dated January 18, 1962 notes " I am enclosing four more photos of baseball players for substitution in the second run, namely

Howie Bedell 217 OF Mil. Braves Replacing Gino CimoliBob Will 218 OF Chicago Cubs Replacing Richie Ashburn Dallas Green 219 P Phila. Phillies Replacing John BuzhardtCarroll Hardy 220 OF Boston Red Sox Replacing Jackie Jensen

On the top of the memo is handwritten Change#9 Second Run

A good checklist is in the SCD Standard Catalog. If you read the description it says there are 221 different players but when you include variations there are 265 coins. These variations are the red and white buttons on Angels and others, Team changes after trades like Minoso with the Cardinals and White Sox, players changing teams due to expansion Hodges with the Dodgers and Mets etc. However if you count those listed in the catalog and my count is correct you will see 268! I believe this is because of three "new" variations I found in the early 2000's after 40 some years from when the coins were issued and reported them to Bob Lemke who was doing the update of the catalog in SCD. When they printed the later editions of the Standard Catalog they used the old wording but added the three coins to the checklist without changing the 265 number.

The three new variations were 9 Lemon, "Jim" at center of ear, 46 Duren red buttons name far from ear, and 113 Bailey "C" level with ear.

To further complicate the matter if you continue to read the description in the SCD Catalog you will read the following:

" Many of the players in the 180 series can be found with variations in the placement of the front typography relative to the colored portrait. Though these variations seem to affect a tiny percentage of some players' 180 coins, they are in most cases too difficult to distinguish except by direct comparison between specimens and are of interest only to the most dedicated Salada collectors".

What is unsaid, is that the noted three "rarest" coins, 48 Williams name on right 53 Brandt Orioles. and 113 Bailey "C" level with ear are ALL part of this early printing group as are the Lemon and Duren noted above. And there are MORE! So even that 268 number is incorrect.

As noted in the SCD description above some of the early prints also include different placement on the front typography. For instance, the 53 Brandt Orioles beside having the "s" in Orioles his name and position is also moved farther from his face than on the common coin.

Two of the early print coins that are much easier to see than just moving the name and position is the Cunningham with the Cardinals with his name above his ear or even with his ear. And Killebrew with his name and position on a different angle. I have only seen two of these in all my years

Over the years after looking at tens of thousands of these coins I have been able to identify some 30 other early prints not checklisted.

Should I continue??? There are also a VERY SMALL number of coins issued with what are called Clip On Backs where the plastic shell has a clip back. Mostly Red Sox are seen with this clip back but a few Phillies and Tigers have been seen as well. Seems all are dark blue shells, but one lt blue shell has been seen.

Then there are "variations like the Geiger "O" on cap and Heist with a "necklace"!!

Below you will see some examples of those and others I have noted above. I hope this helps, but I assume I have only confused you more.
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Thanks a lot! This list of short prints was a home run! I appreciate everyone's help.
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