Most Influential African American Baseball Figure Besides Jackie Robinson

[bcbgcbrcb]

Besides Jackie Robinson, who would you vote for from the list above as the most influential African American Baseball subject of All-Time?

[vthobby]

Willie Mays

[Econteachert205]

Satchel Paige

[deucetwins]

Curt Flood. Free agency.

[BearBailey]

Barry Bonds, by far the best player of his Era and one of the greatest players of all time only to ruin his legacy in the end with the whole PED debacle, his influence will last for decades if not centuries from now.

[Sean]

Curt Flood lost his case over free agency. It was Dave McNally and Andy Messersmith who won their appeal to an arbiter (Peter Seitz) and became free agents.

[chipperhank44]

I chose other and would go with Hank Aaron. The impact of him breaking Babe Ruth's HR record, the Jackie Robinson like abuse he received as he neared the record, and his continued work as a champion of civil rights. He not only had a "moment" or a "first" but has continued to be an influential figure throughout his life.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Aaron. Let's not forget that for a decade he was a black man playing on the first Deep South major league team in an era not far removed, if at all, from deep racial divisions. Yet he carried himself with grace and dignity at all times, not to mention performing at an extraordinary level.

[ATP]

I also chose other and because of Aaron. He had a really tough barrier to break through when approaching the record.

[cardinalcollector]

Buck O'Neill

[bobbyw8469]

Hank Aaron. I don't know anybody on your list.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I guess I should have specified Pre-Integration (Pre-Jackie Robinson) but it's fine, let's keep the responses coming, very interesting..........

[bobbvc]

Curt Flood- Free Agency. Yes ,I did see Sean's post.

[71buc]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Satchel Paige

Absolutely agree with you on this one.

[Runscott]

Surprised at the responses. To me it's Rube Foster - no-brainer. Based on his involvement with bringing semi-pro baseball to the Midwest, and then building on that, popularizing black baseball through his tours and Chicago city league involvement, and then using all of that to create the Negro National League, which gave black players the exposure and experience to push for being allowed in the Major Leagues. No Rube Foster - no Jackie Robinson.

[scooter729]

Wouldn't be my first choice, but another option could be Frank Robinson, as first black manager and his positions in the front office.

[autocentral]

I choose Foster but I think Buck O'Neil is up there.

Nick

[campyfan39]

Aaron and Frank Robby

[Jobu]

Rube Foster and Buck O'Neil for me.

[ValKehl]

Hammerin' Henry, without a doubt!

[SteveMitchell]

Willie Mays with Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente close behind.

[DerekMichael]

Josh Gibson. He could have been a record setter, but never got the chance. He was only 35 when I died if I remember correctly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

Josh Gibson. He could have been a record setter, but never got the chance. He was only 35 when I died if I remember correctly.

When did you die?

[Koufax32fan]

My initial thought upon reading the question - Hank Aaron, for many of the reasons already mentioned.

Upon some reflection (if 20 to 30 seconds counts), my vote(s) would go to Rube Foster and Effa Manley and Rachel Robinson. The question wasn't limited to men and we shouldn't forget the contributions of these 2 great women.

Jimmy Claxton, to many accomplishments to list but I'll start with among the first African Americans to integrate the PCL, and semi-professional leagues in Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, and Reno. Among the first African American managers of a white semi-pro baseball team, the Roslyn Yippers 1926-27 (I believe Ike Ward's management of the Colville baseball team from 1913 to 1915 was the first in Washington, perhaps nationally). The first to be depicted on an American baseball card, well this list could just get exhaustive.....

[orator1]

Hank Aaron, for the reasons already mentioned.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Jimmy Claxton, to many accomplishments to list but I'll start with among the first African Americans to integrate the PCL, and semi-professional leagues in Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, and Reno. Among the first African American managers of a white semi-pro baseball team, the Roslyn Yippers 1926-27 (I believe Ike Ward's management of the Colville baseball team from 1913 to 1915 was the first in Washington, perhaps nationally). The first to be depicted on an American baseball card, well this list could just get exhaustive.....

The issue with Claxton, and don't get me wrong, I live in Seattle and respect all PCL history...he just did not "impact" baseball. Most believed he may or may not have been African American.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Surprised at the responses. To me it's Rube Foster - no-brainer. Based on his involvement with bringing semi-pro baseball to the Midwest, and then building on that, popularizing black baseball through his tours and Chicago city league involvement, and then using all of that to create the Negro National League, which gave black players the exposure and experience to push for being allowed in the Major Leagues. No Rube Foster - no Jackie Robinson.

This.

Every name listed is historically important for one reason it another, but without someone (Foster) creating a viable and competitive league for African-Americans, many of the names listed would be lost to history. You can sweeten up Branch Rickey's intentions all you want, but the fact of the matter is that first and foremost he turned to African American ball players to make his team better. No Foster and no Negro Leagues means no Paige, Aaron, Mays, Gibson, etc.

Originally Posted by ATP

The issue with Claxton, and don't get me wrong, I live in Seattle and respect all PCL history...he just did not "impact" baseball. Most believed he may or may not have been African American.

Respect your opinion Jeff, but Claxton's father, William Edward Claxton (1862-1943), was one of the original 50 African American strikebreakers in Roslyn, Washington August 1888. Jimmy played for forty years (1906-46) in semi-professional baseball, segregated and integrated teams up-and-down the west coast. Though of mixed ancestry he was most certainly first-most African American, and opened the doors for others such as his nephew, Jack Tanner, the first African American superior court judge in Washington state history. A teammate of Claxton's on the 1946 Tacoma Casino Giants.

[Bored5000]

Hank Aaron was the name I immediately thought of when I read the topic.

[The Nasty Nati]

Doc Ellis

[ATP]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Respect your opinion Jeff, but Claxton's father, William Edward Claxton (1862-1943), was one of the original 50 African American strikebreakers in Roslyn, Washington August 1888. Jimmy played for forty years (1906-46) in semi-professional baseball, segregated and integrated teams up-and-down the west coast. Though of mixed ancestry he was most certainly first-most African American, and opened the doors for others such as his nephew, Jack Tanner, the first African American superior court judge in Washington state history. A teammate of Claxton's on the 1946 Tacoma Casino Giants.

I agree with all of this. The issue is that not many other people do, except those who may live in the NW or follow PCL history closely. I do not mean to undermine what Claxton accomplished, I just don't feel what he did really impacted mainstream baseball on a nationwide level, as great as he was.
Best,
Jeff

[kmac32]

Hank Aaron

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Runscott
Surprised at the responses. To me it's Rube Foster - no-brainer. Based on his involvement with bringing semi-pro baseball to the Midwest, and then building on that, popularizing black baseball through his tours and Chicago city league involvement, and then using all of that to create the Negro National League, which gave black players the exposure and experience to push for being allowed in the Major Leagues. No Rube Foster - no Jackie Robinson.

Originally Posted by sbfinley

This.

Every name listed is historically important for one reason it another, but without someone (Foster) creating a viable and competitive league for African-Americans, many of the names listed would be lost to history. You can sweeten up Branch Rickey's intentions all you want, but the fact of the matter is that first and foremost he turned to African American ball players to make his team better. No Foster and no Negro Leagues means no Paige, Aaron, Mays, Gibson, etc.

Totally Agree with Scott & Steve!
Everything that I have read & learned about Mr. Foster has Always lead me to believe that "He iS the Man!!!"

There's Even a Story about Mr. Rube Foster BeiN' "The Man" Who Taught Christy Mathewson His Fade~Away Pitch... Mr. Mathewson never disputed the Story, So I Believe iT's True!
That's how Influential Mr. Foster was Back iN the Day!

I Salute Mr. Foster... I Believe No One Worked Harder Than He Did oR Even Fir aS Long aS He DiD!!! I Even Think He would give Mr. Jackson a run fir his money aS BeiN' the Most Influential African American... Mr. Jackson was Hand Picked and even Coach'd at times oN how to Act, Re~Act & Carry Himself to the Public's Eye, Not So with ole' Rube! Mr. Foster was a Natural Born Leader. Don't Get me wrong here... They both had their place iN History... I Just think that Mr. Rube Foster was a Remarkable Human Being & the more I learn of Him... the More I Believe!

Derek... Your Typo was Just Classic!
TalkiN form da Grave RiGHT B4 ALL Hallow's Eve... Freeeaky Dude

[sago]

Originally Posted by SteveMitchell

Willie Mays with Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente close behind.

Roberto Clemente was Puerto Rican.

How about Frank Robinson? First African-American manager in both leagues, and active in civil rights.

[glynparson]

Would be my choice.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by SteveMitchell

Willie Mays with Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente close behind.

According to the Black Aces, the group of 20 game winners, darker complexioned folks from the islands do not count as "black". This caused a pissed-off Luis Tiant to quip, "I cannot help it if the slave ship stopped in Cuba first."

[Rich Klein]

Frank Robinson

[earlywynnfan]

Effa Manley was probably white, at minimum bi-racial.

[TimCarrollArt]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

This.

Every name listed is historically important for one reason it another, but without someone (Foster) creating a viable and competitive league for African-Americans, many of the names listed would be lost to history. You can sweeten up Branch Rickey's intentions all you want, but the fact of the matter is that first and foremost he turned to African American ball players to make his team better. No Foster and no Negro Leagues means no Paige, Aaron, Mays, Gibson, etc.

And this.

Where would the legends get their start/platform if there were no Negro Leagues? Rube Foster had a monster impact on the game.


Tim

[packs]

Curt Flood gets my vote.

The question is hard to answer. I think to be truly influential you need to have changed the game of baseball forever. I think that Foster falls into the category of influential to African Americans, but he did not have a lot impact on Major League baseball. The players who would play in the Negro League certainly did, but Foster was far removed by that time. Though I of course understand there is no Negro League without him.

I choose Curt Flood because he influenced baseball at large, just like Jackie Robinson did when he broke the color barrier. After Curt Flood the game would never be the same, which is the same influence Robinson had on it.

[Brian Van Horn]

Curt Flood because of the reserve clause.

Now, someone who could have been influential if he had not taken his energies and ego into pursuit of ticking off teammates and management alike-Reggie Jackson. If he had put his focus in another vein, he would have easily been on the list.

[byrone]

Have to go with Satchel Paige.

He gives meaning to the Johnny Cash song "I've Been Everywhere"

[BaseballYakker]

Definitely Rube Foster if we're talking pre-war baseball. Also, Dave Wyatt, a Negro baseball player/manager/journalist/supporter deserves mention.

[sycks22]

I'd go with Paige

[nickedson]

Hank Aaron for accomplishments and Buck O'Neill for creating more awareness.

[Tao_Moko]

Hank Aaron was the last Negro League player to play in the MLB. It's hard for players to overcome even slight media scrutiny and Aaron surpassed one of the two greatest feets in baseball history amongst death threats. His career stats are absolutely unbelievable and he has stayed relevant in baseball from the day he retired.

[jimivintage]

Pre-Jackie = Rube Foster
Post-Jackie = Hank Aaron

[Exhibitman]

[conor912]

I don't think those choices could be any more esoteric. The most influential to the most people had to be Mays. I can see the call for Aaron and what his record did for the game, but I'm sticking with Mays.