Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens don’t have the integrity, sportsmanship or

[irv]

From someone who gets to vote.
https://torontosun.com/sports/baseba...e-hall-of-fame

[Republicaninmass]

He should lose his voting privilege. Regardless, It isnt the hall of character, it's the hall of FAME.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He should lose his voting privilege. Regardless, It isnt the hall of character, it's the hall of FAME.

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the teams on which the player played.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He should lose his voting privilege. Regardless, It isnt the hall of character, it's the hall of FAME.

Isn't his point that the actual ballot mentions character and integrity??

[Republicaninmass]

So Ortiz..among all he did for baseball, aside from anonymous 2003 claim, keeps him out of this guys vote?

I guess its a matter if opinion, but if you kept all the classless characters out of the hall, and added the watered down names because they were stand up guys, it's not a true representation.

It least not to me. I guess he has a holier than thou approach.

If taking greenies, using ethnic slurs, being a womanizing alcoholic etc would have kept people out, youd have half the members now enshired. Now its convenient to hold your ground having a moral compass.

Pedro Martinez "let the bambino come to the plate, I'll drill him in the A$$"

Countless others.

[Seven]

It's hypocrisy to the highest degree. The Hall of Fame has enshrined people that have done far worse than take PED's. Not to mention the fact it's very likely there are PED users already in the Hall of Fame. Cap Anson was a detestable human being, but a great player and he's in the Hall, I'd argue that's infinitely worse than anything that Bonds ever did.

[Republicaninmass]

Notice how those attributes come LAST in the description.

[rwilfong86]

Originally Posted by Seven

It's hypocrisy to the highest degree. The Hall of Fame has enshrined people that have done far worse than take PED's. Not to mention the fact it's very likely there are PED users already in the Hall of Fame. Cap Anson was a detestable human being, but a great player and he's in the Hall, I'd argue that's infinitely worse than anything that Bonds ever did.

Exactly. I've also thought the writers have no business being the ones who get to vote players in. Who pays to go to the Hall? The fans. It should be a combination of fans and baseball people. Writers are too judgmental and will let their own personal pettiness get in the way of doing the right thing.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He should lose his voting privilege. Regardless, It isnt the hall of character, it's the hall of FAME.

Bologna. Every one of the fake stat drug users should be banned from the HOF forever. Frank

[G1911]

I'm fairly agnostic on the steroid issue, but not voting for a player for cheating on the field is reasonable, even if I don't agree with it. Taking away voting rights for any voter that wants to punish cheating seems rather absurd to me. I suppose one's own point of view would be better carried out if all dissenting views were silenced and eliminated from voting, but this doesn't seem a rational basis for voting.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm fairly agnostic on the steroid issue, but not voting for a player for cheating on the field is reasonable, even if I don't agree with it. Taking away voting rights for any voter that wants to punish cheating seems rather absurd to me. I suppose one's own point of view would be better carried out if all dissenting views were silenced and eliminated from voting, but this doesn't seem a rational basis for voting.

Ortiz never failed a test, other than "one anonymous test".


I'm all for dissenting views, but not when they are not rooted in science..I mean facts!

I have no skin in the game either way, but feel players accomplishments in the field should be the #1 factor.

Unless they spcifically bet on baseball, which i believe would disqualify someone based on the HOFs own rules. Aka mlbs "ineligible list". You want to add peds to this list, then go ahead it will have them ineligible for the hall.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Ortiz never failed a test, other than "one anonymous test".


I'm all for dissenting views, but not when they are not rooted in science..I mean facts!

I have no skin in the game either way, but feel players accomplishments in the field should be the #1 factor.

Unless they spcifically bet on baseball, which i believe would disqualify someone based on the HOFs own rules. Aka mlbs "ineligible list". You want to add peds to this list, then go ahead it will have them ineligible for the hall.

I guess then , that is OK with you that they keep all the records they broke by cheating. These guys knew what they were doing. let them pay the price for it.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Ortiz never failed a test, other than "one anonymous test".


I'm all for dissenting views, but not when they are not rooted in science..I mean facts!

I have no skin in the game either way, but feel players accomplishments in the field should be the #1 factor.

Unless they spcifically bet on baseball, which i believe would disqualify someone based on the HOFs own rules. Aka mlbs "ineligible list". You want to add peds to this list, then go ahead it will have them ineligible for the hall.

Voters are allowed to have opinions as to who took steroids and vote accordingly. Nothing about the voting process is based on science, its all opinions.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

He should lose his voting privilege. Regardless, It isnt the hall of character, it's the hall of FAME.

Agree


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[Eric72]

Originally Posted by irv

From someone who gets to vote.
https://torontosun.com/sports/baseba...e-hall-of-fame

"...I take the responsibility, as almost all of us do, very seriously. I pour (sic) over pages and pages..."

Hopefully, he takes his voting responsibility more seriously than his writing.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Eric72

"...I take the responsibility, as almost all of us do, very seriously. I pour (sic) over pages and pages..."

Hopefully, he takes his voting responsibility more seriously than his writing.

Full disclosure:

I stopped reading after that.