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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Damian
Recently there have been a couple of threads in regards to T206 printing errors in which some or most of the color in the lithograph process was missing. I have two right now one is a Seymour that PSA holdered as authentic and trimmed that is missing most of the color and a Baker that PSA graded a 1 due to some slight paper loss on the back that has more color but is still missing a significant amount. I believe the Seymour to be trimmed because it was cut from scrap. I am not positive, it just seems logical. My question is does anyone know or have opinions as to whether color missing T206's that were cut from scrap or more common that cards that were actually issued and have colors missing? It would seem to me that there would be more from scrap as they were likely caught by quality control and never made it into cigarette backs, but were taken home by employees and cut or dug out of the trash and cut. This of course could all be wild speculation on my part or is there another side to the coin I am missing making scrap cards tougher than issued cards. Anyone? |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I am not old enough to have acquired T-cards back in 1910 (although |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Mark
I believe most of them I have seen were hand cut scraps, and very poorly cut at that. However, I have seen two or three that I believe to be factory cut, including a card of Davis I sold on ebay recently. It was also somewhat oversized top to bottom. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: barrysloate
Damian- you are correct that more cards with missing colors came from printer's scrap. All the sheets that made it to the scrap heap got there because of some printing malfunction, such as missing ink. However, cards that made it into circulation should have had one step of quality control, and therefore errors should have been pulled. Obviously, a few will always get by. Scrap heaps don't get quality control. They get tossed. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Damian
Barry, |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: barrysloate
It's hard to generalize, as some collectors don't care how the card is cut, but I would say one that looks more like a regularly issued card that might even qualify for a holder would be better than one that is clearly handcut. You might get other opinions. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: robert a
Damian, |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I have collected all sportscards with color errors for many years now. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: barrysloate
Didn't you get that Dunlap from me a very long time ago? |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Damian
PSA gave a 1 due to some slight paper loss on the back. I think it looks much better than that, but then again, does it matter so much the grade as the fact that it actually has a grade? |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: barrysloate
The fact that it has full borders and looks like a regular T206 is very important. The fact that it only got a 1 is minimal. You came out way ahead and have a great looking card. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: T206Collector
....was once my Baker. If you look carefully at the surface, you will see that I erased pencil marks on the front. Someone had written "3B" in pencil near his name. And also someone wrote "Released" in script pencil at the top of the card. I used an artists eraser so as not to harm the card itself, but there is still a trace of both. But they are most surely also contributing to the Grade of 1. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Damian
Collector, |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: davidcycleback
There are color progression proofs, which are/were test cards showing different color combinations-- yellow/blue, red/black, etc. They were used to test colors and alignment before final printing. They have been made at least since T206 times, and usually have blank backs. |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Barry |
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T206 colors missing scraps versus issued cards
Posted By: davidcycleback
The 1878 Forbes baseball trade cards can be found with the text missing. I once had the complete set missing the text. |
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