Piedmont 150 plate scratch(es) progress

[Mountaineer1999]

That is awesome Pat! Is it a coincidence the cards are so similar in colors?

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

That is awesome Pat! Is it a coincidence the cards are so similar in colors?

Nice work Pat!

Donnie That's a good question and it may be nothing more than a coincidence about the colors.

Not that we should ignore the colors, but don't let that be a big factor. When I was researching the Sweet Caporal 460 f#42 T206s that displayed a wet sheet transfer, 11 of the 12 cards either had a yellow or blue background. I thought the last card would also have one of these two colors for the background. The 12th card was Crandall (portrait with cap) with a red background. The wet sheet transfer is harder to see on this card since half of the transfer blends into the background color.

J@ntz

[wolf441]

Here's another Red Dooin with a horizontal scratch.

[Pat R]

I agree with Jantz probably just a coincidence with this group having similar
background colors based on past evidence of some groupings but I think
it's important to keep an open mind on the research.

Here's another pair with matching scratches. Hahn/Wilhelm

[steve B]

Awesome stuff Pat!

As I said, Pat has really run with this idea and he's way ahead of me by now. And I think that's a really great thing.

Steve B

[Pat R]

Crandall three high vertical scratch.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Crandall three high vertical scratch.

WHOA! I guess that answers the three alike row question.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

That is awesome Pat! Is it a coincidence the cards are so similar in colors?

Originally Posted by Jantz

Nice work Pat!

Donnie That's a good question and it may be nothing more than a coincidence about the colors.

Not that we should ignore the colors, but don't let that be a big factor. When I was researching the Sweet Caporal 460 f#42 T206s that displayed a wet sheet transfer, 11 of the 12 cards either had a yellow or blue background. I thought the last card would also have one of these two colors for the background. The 12th card was Crandall (portrait with cap) with a red background. The wet sheet transfer is harder to see on this card since half of the transfer blends into the background color.

J@ntz

No coincidence of similar color sequencing.....it's my understanding that this was a common practice in printing years ago.


About a year ago, I posted this hypothetical simulated sheet illustrating this similar color pattern in this 48 subject format.


Possible 350-only series arrangement of Major Leaguers....circa Spring 1910






TED Z
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[Jantz]

Ghosts from the 350 series may give us some insight that the background colors amongst neighbors were not the same.

[Bigdaddy]

You know, this would be a great project for a grad school student. Especially someone studying big data or something similar where they try to pull information out of seemingly random, unconnected, data sets.

Someone would have to compile all the data - ghosts, plate scratches, two-names, mis-cuts, etc and let some eager, young, stay up all night students have a go at it.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

You know, this would be a great project for a grad school student. Especially someone studying big data or something similar where they try to pull information out of seemingly random, unconnected, data sets.

Someone would have to compile all the data - ghosts, plate scratches, two-names, mis-cuts, etc and let some eager, young, stay up all night students have a go at it.

We need a NET54 intern staff!!!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

You know, this would be a great project for a grad school student. Especially someone studying big data or something similar where they try to pull information out of seemingly random, unconnected, data sets.

Someone would have to compile all the data - ghosts, plate scratches, two-names, mis-cuts, etc and let some eager, young, stay up all night students have a go at it.

What makes it tough is all the data is spread out over different series and backs and there is evidence that the sheet layouts were changed even among the same series and backs. Using the piedmont 150's as
an example you have a two name Lundren/Dooin and Lundgren/Ball and you have hand cuts of Wagner and Plank.

There were also some subjects that were added sometime in the middle or late printing of the 150 series one of which was Crawford (Throwing) and the plate scratches indicate he was somewhere in the middle of a sheet.

[Pat R]

Some of the subjects on a partial sheet with Crawford (Throwing)

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Pat R

What makes it tough is all the data is spread out over different series and backs and there is evidence that the sheet layouts were changed even among the same series and backs. Using the piedmont 150's as
an example you have a two name Lundren/Dooin and Lundgren/Ball and you have hand cuts of Wagner and Plank.

+1

Walsh/Seymour - Piedmont 150
Walsh/Brown, M - Piedmont 350
Walsh/Lumley - Piedmont, series unknown due to back damage