Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Fun facts...you guys realize there are over 10,000 members on Net54 and hey guess what? I see the same handful of guys talking about the same thing on multiple threads. It’s very possible the other 9,990 members have differing opinions. So where is this going to lead us...I’ll give 9,990 : 1 odds that someone starts another thread related to the same topic.

Take a vacation and enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend!

Most of us who belong to Net54 are content with our low grade raw T206's and T213's. My guess is that there are only a few dozen people on this forum who give a rat's ass about a trimmed $5000 Giannis rookie.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Most of us who belong to Net54 are content with our low grade raw T206's and T213's. My guess is that there are only a few dozen people on this forum who give a rat's ass about a trimmed $5000 Giannis rookie.

Thats a good point. Ive been collecting since the mid 70’s...ive never been too condition sensitive in my collecting...sure i like a crease free card with decent centering. This is where my condition discrimination ends. My meager collection brings me happiness and wont be much affected by a grading scandal. Im a manchild of principles...i have a high moral compass. Thieves/crooks should be
Punished if/when caught. This is where i stand.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Most of us who belong to Net54 are content with our low grade raw T206's and T213's. My guess is that there are only a few dozen people on this forum who give a rat's ass about a trimmed $5000 Giannis rookie.

Hopefully, more people here care about the VG 3 Green Ruth, Psa 1.5 to 2
T227 Cobb, and the Red T206 Cobb that went from 1.5 to 3 that have been
shown as possibly bad on blowout. These are just a few I found this morning.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by aconte

Hopefully, more people here care about the VG 3 Green Ruth, Psa 1.5 to 2
T227 Cobb, and the Red T206 Cobb that went from 1.5 to 3 that have been
shown as possibly bad on blowout. These are just a few I found this morning.

Exactly. We can claim that it's only rich assholes who care about altered cards here but the low grade ones are getting altered as well. The fraud affects the entire hobby, like it or not.

[ullmandds]

Check out this gem!

At this point I am sure I have altered cards in my collection makes me want to vomit!

http://www.sportscardradio.com/gary-...-bidding-scam/

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Check out this gem!

At this point I am sure I have altered cards in my collection makes me want to vomit!

http://www.sportscardradio.com/gary-...-bidding-scam/

We've been discussing that for hours my friend.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We've been discussing that for hours my friend.

I was weeding!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I was weeding!

A good metaphor for some of this, hopefully.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I was weeding!

Is that what they're calling it these days? We used to say we were pulling BH's.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I was weeding!

Is that legal in Minnesota now?

[CMIZ5290]

I want to add this because everyone seems to be singling out PSA. I think this activity also goes on with SGC.....

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Most of us who belong to Net54 are content with our low grade raw T206's and T213's. My guess is that there are only a few dozen people on this forum who give a rat's ass about a trimmed $5000 Giannis rookie.

Who is this Giannis you speak of?

[Bigshot69]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

Who is this Giannis you speak of?

He’s the Milwaukee Bucks 1st team All-NBA Forward and MVP frontrunner. Modern basketball, his rookies included, are some of the hottest cards on the planet.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by Bigshot69

He’s the Milwaukee Bucks 1st team All-NBA Forward and MVP frontrunner. Modern basketball, his rookies included, are some of the hottest cards on the planet.

Oh, I see. I'm sure he, Lew and the Big O make a very formidable "Big Three".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Anyone here buy this psa 6 leaf Jackie?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1852

[Peter_Spaeth]

ouch
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1866

[MULLINS5]

I think Brent was part of the 'buyer's club' that ran/shilled prices up. Why? To give an appearance that PWCC cards command higher prices. PSA was pushing heavily on advertising these record prices, too.

When the buyer's club was outed, Brent went of defense and made some posts to try to clear the air and do damage control.

Then came the next best thing: PWCC assigning grades to already graded cards. It was ludicrous, but I guess it worked as it kept the premiums coming.

Now an altered '52 Mantle exposes hundreds of other altered cards and trimmers and there is an apparent connection between one of them and Brent.

Brent again goes on defense, possibly knowing the level of fraud that took place and wanting to get ahead of it goes on record trying to link/normalize it to restoration and conservation, which it is not.

The common denominator here is Brent/PWCC.

If anyone on the Blowout forum is reading this, please look into the Topps Bobby Hull rookie, Topps/OPC Wayne Gretzky rookies, and 1989 Topps Joe Sakic rookie. There have been some phenomenal examples come to light in the past three years offered by PWCC. The 1989 PSA 10 Sakic stayed at a POP 2 for YEARS and then suddenly got flooded. Hull (a notoriously OC card) has had some clean centered ones slabbed in this time, and the Gretzky cards have been graded with too nice of edges.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

ouch
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1866

That's a lot of border trimmed off.

[sayheykid54]

This past weekend I noticed a nice Ty Cobb pin PWCC was selling. Based on the craziness surrounding PWCC lately, it made me look a lot closer at the pin. I noticed that the back rim was an untarnished brighter silver in appearance. Thoughts on the pin? Am I being paranoid??

I decided NOT to bid on the auction.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Anyone here buy this psa 6 leaf Jackie?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1852

That's a weird one.

Ordinarily I'd say they aren't the same card, as the 6 is tighter to the holder top and bottom but thinner side to side.

But the fibers/print marks on the back are exactly identical.

All I can think of is that the holders are slightly different sizes on the inside.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by steve B

That's a weird one.

Ordinarily I'd say they aren't the same card, as the 6 is tighter to the holder top and bottom but thinner side to side.

But the fibers/print marks on the back are exactly identical.

All I can think of is that the holders are slightly different sizes on the inside.

soaked and stretched (pressed) is always a fun possibility