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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
The HOF had their first group of inductees in 1936 and of course Ty Cobb was in the first group of super-stars that got in. Cobb was vilified in his time and was hated by even his teammates. If the Hall didn't have a waiting period and the Hall opened in 1929 would Ty Cobb have gotten in immediately? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Ken McMillan
probably. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Mark L
Of course. Without a doubt. Despite the rumors about gambling. Now why is this a question? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Cobb finished his career with the Athletics and he was hated by teammates and had a love hate relationship with the fans. It's true that the sportswriters liked him because he gave them plenty to write about, but most of it was pretty negative stuff. I would say that it would be unlikely that he would go in with the first group but probably would have gotten in at later date. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: James Feagin
Revisionist speculation. Who cares? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Also at the time, the stats weren't all important like they are now. Cy Young with 511 wins didn't get in with the first group. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe_G.
That question is absurd. Of course Cobb would have made it first ballot. Be it 1929 or 1936, Cobb would have received more votes than anyone. The 1936 vote was as follows: |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Brett
Babe Ruth retired in 1935 and the first players to be inducted into the HOF was in 1936 and Ty Cobb still had more votes right after Ruth retired. I think its clear that Cobb would still have more votes regardless of the year. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
I basically go with Bill James theory on Hall of Famers, after a period of time people forget what an ornery SOB Cobb was and go with the numbers. So in 1929 he wouldn't have been in the first group, but in 1936 he would be. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay wolt
"So in 1929 he wouldn't have been in the first group, but in 1936 he would be." |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: davidcycleback
I think people can not like but respect a player. Every knows Cobb was not the most likable fellow, but everyone respected him as a ball player. Played hard, long and well. Many NFL linebackers are ornery, but most don't even consider that a detraction. ... I think personality defects are considered a problem when they effect play (Darryl Strawberry, Denny McLain). There was nothing wrong with Cobbs' play. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Peter ... Where do you dig these up from? ...... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Joe, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: davidcycleback
Knowing Peter's tastes, I assumed this was connected to Barry Bonds. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: J Levine
Just for the record, the voting was 1936 but they were not technically "inducted or enshrined" until 1939. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: MVSNYC
cobb ABSOLUTELY would have been elected in 1929. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Had Cobb been at the National this year, would he have waited to buy an autographed Barry Bonds Upper Deck card until Barry actually tied Aaron? And if Bud Selig had been commissioner in 1939, would he have attended the induction ceremonies? If Cobb were alive today, would he read The Card? If he were seen with a copy of The Card, would the value of his T206 cards be impacted? If Bobby Bonds had named his son Billy instead of Barry, would Aaron's record still be in jeopardy? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jason L
Boy, Peter C, you're taking a beating for this one... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: JK
While I personally dont think there is much to discuss here (yes, cobb would be in, there shouldnt be any debate about that) and perhaps a smartass comment or two are appropriate, I think some of the more personal attacks toward Peter above are completely unwarranted. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Neal Kane
enjoy frozen pizza if it was available back in the day? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: PS
Peter C. -- you have hit an all time low with this one. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay wolt
Here is the back of a 1927 York Caramel card on Cobb. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Brian
I like applesauce. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: MVSNYC
Onto more important topics--- |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay wolt
Mike - as everyone has stated the Nat'l was great. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
...... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: joe brennan
Froto Lives. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
You are perceptive, I was going to come around to Barry. Remember our discussion today when Barry's turn for the HOF comes around. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Look, we would have to know if the Hall election was pre or post Crash and what role, if any, Cobb played in it. Also, Cobb's chances would be influenced by the specific day the election were held. Astrologers and numerologists would have to be consulted. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
"Imagine ... if Cobb used Steroids?" ............ |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Joe, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Dan Bretta
That was a favorite tactic of Mike King Kelly to skip third, but I have never heard this accusation against Cobb. Do you have a cite for that Peter? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Dan, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
During the early days, many players would by pass bases. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Peter doesn't have a site, he just says whatever comes to his head. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Marc S.
<<I've little doubt that he would have taken steroids if they were available. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
But you have to understand the Peter C mind. ......... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: PAS
Is that a contradiction in terms? Edited to add |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
I've been told that there are certain people on this board that don't like smilies. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Brian
<<But you have to understand the Peter C mind. .........>> |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Bill K@sel
Either Peter has some serious hatred towards Cobb, or serious man-love for Barry. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jason L
but I do know that Cobb would have had no trouble getting in last year, when only Mr. Sutter garnered enough votes. That is some serious lack of competition. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
It could not have been Prof Peter C. ........ |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Anyone care to speculate the impact on current prices of vintage cards if we were to assume Cobb would have used steroids? And would that help sales of "The Card?" |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
But in your wildest imagination, can you imagine what his records, and numbers would have been? ....... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Ed Ivey
If Cobb had used steroids..... |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
I don't even want to THINK about Ty Cobb with "'roid rage". |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: PAS
He would have climbed a mountain to punch an echo. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I wonder how much of Cobb's statistics are directly related to determination and not talent....How good would he have been if he hadn't been hazed as a rookie? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: paulstratton
...plus his Mom blew his Dad away("Don't come home a failure.") and he was still pissed about the Civil War. |
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