Tatis Jr. - the first 50-50 player?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by howard38

Seriously. His career ABs add up to about one full season and in addition to his .292 BA he has hit 47 HRs and stolen 32 bases. You can count the number of 22 year olds with that kind of resume on your fingers. He also has 67 walks, which while not high is not really low either. It's probably even above average for someone his age. The errors are a concern but Tatis wouldn't be the first superstar who switched to another position after failing as a shortstop.

Mickey Mantle, for example.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mickey Mantle, for example.

...and Mr. Aaron.

Too bad they don't have some system where the players can refine their skills before getting to the show...hmmm.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mickey Mantle, for example.

Ryan Braun is another. He started at shortstop, and then moved to third base at Miami. He played third as a rookie, and was Rookie of the Year putting up a historically great season with the bat, while appearing utterly lost at third base. They moved him to left field, and that's where he should have stayed.

Come to think of it, Paul Molitor was also meant to play short, though I wouldn't say he failed at the position. Milwaukee just had another young superstar in the making occupying that spot on the field. So, they put him at third. One Hall of Famer playing next to another. God, I miss those days at County Stadium.

As for Mantle, yes, he was awful at short, but I wonder how his career would have turned out had they moved him to third instead of the outfield. If he stays in the infield, he never tears his knee in the '51 Series, and is relatively healthy going forward.

[SD]

5th fastest to 50 HR all time, makes unreal plays nightly, maybe one of the 10 fastest players in the league, but he no superstar?

Whens the last time you saw a runner tag up on a pop fly to the ss in shallow center and score? He has done it 3 times already. I get the team bias, hate for a player who isn't conventional or to the book. The bat flips and lack of varying about his opponents feelings rub some the other way. But he is the most entertaining player in baseball, hands down. That is why he is a superstar

[packs]

The most games he's played in a season is 84. That's why he's not a superstar yet. He could be one in time. But he's only played 171 total games. He's not on Acuna or Soto's level yet.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by packs

The most games he's played in a season is 84. That's why he's not a superstar yet. He could be one in time. But he's only played 171 total games. He's not on Acuna or Soto's level yet.

Agreed, let's let him get a few more seasons under his belt before we start fitting him for a crown.

Mark Fidrych, Bob Horner, Joe Charboneau, Steve Sax, Bob Hamelin, Kerry Wood, Chris Coghlan, etc, etc, etc.

Doug

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Agreed, let's let him get a few more seasons under his belt before we start fitting him for a crown.

Mark Fidrych, Bob Horner, Joe Charboneau, Steve Sax, Bob Hamelin, Kerry Wood, Chris Coghlan, etc, etc, etc.

Doug

Even a few years isn't enough. Doc Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, probably Kris Bryant, maybe Manny Machado heading that way, Juan Guzman, Johan Santana, etc. etc. etc.

No question this is a talented, promising young man, and I wouldn't make too much of his early weaknesses. But if you look at baseball history that don't mean much. Incidentally his BA is up to .290 and his OPS is over 1.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even a few years isn't enough. Doc Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, probably Kris Bryant, maybe Manny Machado heading that way, Juan Guzman, Johan Santana, etc. etc. etc.

No question this is a talented, promising young man, and I wouldn't make too much of his early weaknesses. But if you look at baseball history that don't mean much. Incidentally his BA is up to .290 and his OPS is over 1.

He's certainly been on a tear since coming off the DL, saw the highlights of todays game as well. As a side note, still can't believe that he could've been on the currently stacked White Sox Roster if it wasn't for the Shields trade.

[Neal]

Tatis is absolutely a superstar. That status may or may not last.

[SD]

Yes I'm biased being a Padres fan, but foremost I love the game.Tatis continues to do things we have never seen. Regardless of how he finishes his career, he is currently the most important figure as far as marketing goes for MLB. Hence Superstar.

FROM STATS BY STARS:
Over his last 4 games, Fernando Tatis Jr. of the @Padres is batting .786 with 12 RBI and has also walked 3 times.

He's the first player to bat .750 or better with 12+ RBI and 3+ walks over a 4-game span since Babe Ruth from July 28-31, 1932.

[clydepepper]

Two more errors today in a 6-5 loss.

That's 14 errors in 32 games he's played in the field.

Padres are 5-5 in games in which he makes errors.

Thru his team's first 51 games:

HR-13
SB-11
ER-14
DP-14

Probable 30-30-30-30 player at least.

[SD]

He's more then making up for it with the bat and making plays he has no meaning making. How many games has he single handedly killed other teams.
Though he leads the world in errors, the padres are still 2nd in defensive runs saved
Hate all you want, a ss who hits like he does far out weights his uncharacteristic errors.
Your stats of the day.
Tatis is hitting .471 (16-for-34) in the last 10 games, hitting six homers with 5 doubles, 5 stolen bases, 22 RBIs and 8 walks.
He enters the day tied for the National League lead in homers with 15. Oh and he's also missed 17 of the 53 games the padres have played. 100% OVERRATED 😆.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Two more errors today in a 6-5 loss.

That's 14 errors in 32 games he's played in the field.

Padres are 5-5 in games in which he makes errors.

Thru his team's first 51 games:

HR-13
SB-11
ER-14
DP-14

Probable 30-30-30-30 player at least.

Well, He's gotten much better (was there any other way?)


Thru his teams's first 61 games:

HR-21
SB-13
ER-15
DP-25

Last ten games:

HR-8
SB-2
ER-1
DP-11