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I think you're discounting what closers do and how difficult it is to be an elite closer for a long period of time. There are very few closers with any kind of longevity.
I don't support what you're saying about failed starters either. So what if a guy started out as one thing in pro ball and became another? Why is that discounted? What are you looking to take away? Mariano Rivera was a shortstop when he got signed. Jorge Posada was a second baseman when he started his career in the minors. Last edited by packs; 08-16-2022 at 02:15 PM. |
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Yes, two different positions, with two different skill sets.
Nobody says "most shortstops could play second base, so there shouldn't be any second basemen in the hall of fame." Or maybe they do, but those people are probably kinda nuts.
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but closer and starting pitcher is not the same as 2nd and SS. Plus defense really isnt factored into it unless the player is on the extreme extreme end good or bad, if they hit 600 home runs i dont think defense matters at all etc. |
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So show me all of these guys that used to close that are now good Starting pitchers ..i can name you a LOT of good closers that were failed starters.......yeah may be hard for pitchers who werent good enough to start to fulfill a job as closer and those are hard to find.....agree its hard to find a closer from that pool of talent.....i argue its not that hard to find a closer from the 25th-40th best Starting pitcher in mlb..which i would assume is about a 2nd starter on most teams... Can probably run down the list of number 2 starters and the closer on their team and given a choice of closer, we would rather have the SP be the closer ...Pablo Lopez would be better than whoever the marlins use to close for example..... you also forget a starting pitcher who may have to hold back some velocity and some pitches for the 2nd and 3rd time through the lineup doesnt have to worry about that when pitching 1 inning.......2 and 3 run leads are still 'saves', it doesnt matter how much a team is up, a starting pitcher still needs great stats to be considered an all star....Wins arent enough as has been discussed at length.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 08-16-2022 at 07:51 PM. |
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DeGrom has 2 BB in his first 5 starts back and 46 strikeouts.
Mets taking it easy with 6 inning starts. Fine with me. Let him go nine in the World Series. |
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He is amazing and they are smart for ramping him up to ensure he stays healthy for the WS run. Him and Scherzer make the METS dangerous in the playoffs him they are both healthy against any team
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im sure the current Mets closer who is an all star and likely top 1 or 2 closer this year would be able to match Degrom's Starting pitching stats since closing is as hard as starting pitching Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 08-26-2022 at 03:44 PM. |
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Is it harder to be tall or fast?
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46 K, 2 -- yeah, 2 -- BB so far.
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