Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You should actually read what you link to.

In community and home settings, the use of facemasks and respirators generally are not recommended.

And you should read fully. I'm guessing you didn't click on the link that provided a table.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And you should read fully. I'm guessing you didn't click on the link that provided a table.

I did read it. That is ONLY for persons at high risk of severe illness. Look at the top of the column. For persons not at high risk, the table says not recommended.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I did read it. That is ONLY for persons at high risk. Look at the top of the column. For persons not at high risk, the table says not recommended.

Are you not a high risk person? Even if you aren't, shouldn't you consider some of that "respect" Pack's is referring to and wear one for the people who are high risk?

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

No, he abandoned his argument that it’s about saving other people’s lives to argue it’s when the state tells him he should to save lives.

Again you are overlooking my basic point that I was not aware of any information in 2019 that would have led me to consider wearing a mask. It has nothing to do with the state other than that the state typically would be a major source of information.

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

So your argument is that you only have to do it when the state or social pressure is there? I’m not sure what body you think would advise you in a way that widely disseminates the narrative so broadly except the state and its organs (CDC). I’m happy to stand corrected if such an organization exists. Clearly it cannot be about actual risk, if we are so worried about people with a 95% effective vaccine now, but didn’t give a hoot about disease in 2019.

No, my argument is that when one has good reason from whatever source to believe his conduct may be detrimental to others, and there is a way to mitigate that that isn't terribly restrictive, one should do that. You keep conflating this point with other issues and trying to twist my argument.

Whether in fact masks help is a separate point certainly worth discussing, but my argument assumes (as I have conceded) that they are helpful to others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

So your argument is that you only have to do it when the state or social pressure is there? I’m not sure what body you think would advise you in a way that widely disseminates the narrative so broadly except the state and its organs (CDC). I’m happy to stand corrected if such an organization exists. Clearly it cannot be about actual risk, if we are so worried about people with a 95% effective vaccine now, but didn’t give a hoot about disease in 2019.

For example, I am pretty diligent about recycling what I can. Nobody knows if I do or don't, there is no state or social pressure, but I do it because I feel it's the right thing to do so in a miniscule way I do my part.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Are you not a high risk person? Even if you aren't, shouldn't you consider some of that "respect" Pack's is referring to and wear one for the people who are high risk?

I do wear one. In 2009 I was completely unaware of this -- it certainly was not widely discussed -- and in any rate back then I would not have considered myself high risk so the CDC would not have advised me to wear a mask.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And you should read fully. I'm guessing you didn't click on the link that provided a table.

Conveniently leaving off the headings of those columns. The first is pretty much everyone the second is people at risk of serious disease.

Cherry picking data makes for a weak argument.

[steve B]

Masks are effective, something I believe the CDC dropped the ball on at the beginning.
While most aren't fine enough to filter out some virus sized particles, some are.
Surprisingly including some of the finer HVAC filters used mostly in labs.
Even more surprisingly, the non-woven fabric many reusable shopping bags are made from is very nearly equivalent to N-95, sometimes probably better. It's just not certified as a healthcare filter material.

What they do, and should have been obvious is to slow down the exhaled air, giving the particles less push to travel the same distance in the air.
In other filtering situations, it's also well known that any filter is better than none.

A video showing the difference in different situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNCNM7AZPFg

And another explaining how much is stopped by what from a study using actual Covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI


I live in a city with a fairly high asian population, and it wasn't at all unusual to see someone -especially the elderly wearing masks before this, even outside of flue season.