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Old 11-01-2020, 06:35 AM
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Default Converting GAIs to PSAs: Lessons Learned

It had been a while since I looked at my complete 1954 Topps baseball card set. Most of the commons are raw but most of the stars are graded. What I had forgotten was that all those years ago I had purchased six GAI-graded cards (four stars and two commons). Should I convert them to PSA slabs before auctioning off the set? In this month's blog I detail what I decided and what lessons I learned. Visit www.markearzoumanian.com to read about my experience.
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Old 11-01-2020, 06:47 AM
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thanks for writing this.

what happens if a card grades higher than your estimate and the value is higher? do they charge you more afterwards?

also, its not fair to compare current PSA grades to when your GAI grades were given. I think PSA would regrade many of their older graded cards 1-2 notches lower now.
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Old 11-01-2020, 07:27 AM
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The quick answer to your question is no. That's why I can't help but conclude that it makes sense to keep estimates low unless you need your graded cards ASAP and want to pay $75 per card or more. Maybe I'm missing something BUT we're not professional graders.
Your second point is very valid. It isn't fair. In a way you could say my recent experience reflects how any TPG has evolved since the 1990s.
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Old 11-01-2020, 07:47 AM
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PSA will upcharge you if there is a drastic difference between the submission level you selected and the SMR/APR value of the card as graded. If you submit at a $499 service level and the card is now worth $1,000 after grading, they will probably not upgrade your service level and charge you more. If it is now worth $2K or more, they will upgrade your service level so that your shipment is now insured (or self-insured) up to the $2K it's now worth if it gets damaged while in PSA's hands (slabbing/packing process) or damaged/lost in the mail. There was a case when they did not do this and a $3K card (Crosby rookie auto IIRC) was lost in the mail and they only were able to cover $499 in reimbursement.

This really hit the modern basketball crew this year, since the prices in that realm increased exponentially during the six months some of those cards were sitting at PSA in bulk submissions. Some cards were submitted at $99 service level that soon became $3-5K cards once they graded a 10. If PSA didn't upcharge the service level, those owners were praying that the package made it back to them safely. I guess you always have the option to put all your submissions on Shipping Holds, then you can confirm before they mail your package back that it's properly insured for the graded value.

So, as Dirty Harry would say, "Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?!"

You really only used to hear of it happening on stuff like Hall of Fame rookie cards pre-2018. But with their integration of SMR and APR (Auction Priced Realized) into their website and submission pages, they can easily spot cards which were submitted at a much lower level than they ended up grading at.
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Old 11-01-2020, 08:56 AM
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On the original topic, back when I used to submit to PSA, I had a thread in the post-war section that showed my conversions from other slabs to PSA. None from GAI specifically, but it may be interesting to those reading this thread.
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ighlight=crack

Here's the sister thread over on Blowout:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=45
The 1968 Mantle was graded on a second round as a PSA 6, IIRC.

"Some will argue PSA has a taint to it", huh? That's one way to minimize the issue of their INCOMPETENCE or FRAUD.

IMO, you should have bought a 6-card or 15-card PSA membership in order to save on your Regular submission costs for cards valued up to $499. Surely you could have found 1 or 10 more in your collection you wanted graded. You should have also evaluated the cards in your GAI slabs before you cracked them out (or even after) and tried to predict what PSA would grade them. Did any have surface wrinkles? Were any trimmed or recolored, and PSA didn't catch it? How would you calculate the centering?
People just starting out grading cards should be training themselves on how to grade to PSA standards, so they can save money or be more selective when buying raw cards. What flaws did these cards have that PSA noticed but GAI did not? Why no side by side pictures?

Your advice reads that if you just send any old card into PSA and *poof* it becomes more valuable when you go to sell. But on some of your cards, they would sell for more raw than graded a PSA 5.

I have read quite a few of your blog entries, but I think you can add even more information to them and make them even more useful for your target audience.
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Old 11-01-2020, 09:37 AM
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Points well taken. I appreciate it. I continue to learn lessons by posting my blogs! Always open to constructive criticism.
To be honest, I didn't even think to take photos and don't have expertise when it comes to posting them here. My two 1954 Williams cards made it tough to get PSA group rates because value of each was over $499 IMO. Also, it was the first time filling out the form on the internet versus the old multi-colored paper forms.
At this point in my life it's all about sharing and trying to help others in the hobby. Otherwise known as giving back. I will use a cliche, "If I helped one person here on Net54baseball, it was worth the effort." Warts and all.
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Old 11-02-2020, 11:03 AM
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thanks, Mark and all, the advice is helpful.
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