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Old 12-11-2021, 07:54 AM
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I just overpaid for this one for my type collection:


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Old 12-11-2021, 11:04 AM
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Very nice batch of boxing in this week. Thank you to the member and new friend who gave me his Johnson at a fair price. Has a crease down the middle, I'd call it Good, but Turkey Red's tends to look great in low grade with those fat borders that eat up the wear and keep it away from the large, gorgeous lithographs. Maybe I'm weird, but I really like the backdrop of Johnson and Langford's cards, in front of a farmhouse rather than the indoor ring the other cards use. Johnson and Langford looks more like a blowup type 1 T220, the rest of the cards blown up T218's.

Coulon was the Bantamweight champion of the world when his T9 was issued, and a prominent trainer for decades after his boxing career. He maintained his tiny weight in his retirement and was evidently well-known, judging from the newspapers, for being able to prevent men who doubled or tripled his weight from picking him up. He and Johnson were good friends, and Coulon was one of Jack's pallbearers.

Puts me at 16/26 of the common cards with the text on back.

The Delmont and Kaufman are Miners Extra backed T219's, cards 46 and 47 in my Miners Extra set. 3 commons to go.

Packey McFarland's T225 is for my master set, like 96 cards into the 250 run. He was a fine lightweight with a possibly record undefeated streak.

The Willie Hoppe isn't a boxing card, but as T218's are centered here it seems okay to include. Back is miscut showing that the card to the right of Hoppe (Playing) on the sheet was also Hoppe (Playing). This matches with Adam's Summers miscut in T218-3, and the sheet pattern of the T220-1's.

The Mayo's are Austin Gibbons and Joe Walcott, I've started to do the set in both name at top and name at bottom variety. I don't know squat about Gibbons really, Walcott was of course a fine champion.

The Lorillard's Elliott is a type card, and in horrific condition. But I like cards in horrific condition and one can't be picky on these, tough set.

Nice haul. Never hurts to pick up a Hoppe. He's basically the Babe Ruth/Ty Cobb of his sport. There was also a boxer with the same name, active around the same time. Most famous for getting most of his hands blown up in an explosives accident, and still being a fairly successful boxer. Don't think he ever got on a card though.
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Old 12-11-2021, 11:05 AM
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I just overpaid for this one for my type collection:


That's an interesting Dempsey.
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Old 12-11-2021, 05:29 PM
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Yeah, interwar Italian cards are one of many backwaters of obscurity in which i like to immerse myself. Not as cool as Ukrainian chewing gum cards, though.
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Here's a couple of newer cards compared to what's been posted lately! Here's two cards that I just got back from SGC, found a complete 1998 Cardinal set in my parents basement. I sent the Austin in as a test, will be sending more in for sure!
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Old 12-18-2021, 01:40 PM
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A stack of Mayo's. I don't know how many cards actually constitute a master set even; the name at bottom cards come in multiple varieties and tones with major differences between images. Divining what was an intentional change and what just happened during printing is a line pretty much impossible to know from this remove.

The panel is right up my alley, unique oddities to complement a set run. The Mayo's are about the best of the 19th century boxing sets, 35 cards is a lot by 19th century boxing standards and the images are nice. Unlike most of the black and white cards of the period, the images don't really have a fading problem.
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Old 12-18-2021, 05:36 PM
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The Mayo name on bottom tone variations are vexing. Here's a Hall which is the most severe of the variations:



The layer of artwork is missing. Here is a side by side with a normal tone:



I used to own that uncut two-card strip.
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Old 12-18-2021, 07:18 PM
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The vast difference and clear change to the artwork makes them, I think, true variations and thus necessary for a master set. Part of the fun of boxing is that Iíve almost never had an actual complete checklist available when starting a set.

As I recall, this panel is the smallest of 3 that at one point were all connected together. I think these 3 related strips are the only N310 Mayo uncut material, but what do I know. Iím happy to have it to add to my little stack of 19th century
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It is one of a former three-piece strip. There is a strip known with Sullivan and Corbett on it.

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=15476

You are never going to complete a master set with the missing artwork cards. I've seen two of them, this Hall and a Dixon. That's it.
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Old 12-19-2021, 01:49 AM
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I don't expect to complete N310, but I include all variations in a master set. I'd like to get to at least 70 eventually, but it's not a priority until I finish T220 (188/190), T218 (622/632) and T219 (145/200). "Until" meaning "Big IF"....


Got 9 more Silver's in this week, 8 from a friend and the McAuliffe off eBay. The McCoy is a cool one that has the layer of silver spread lightly over his name, making it quite faint. The Burke has a wet sheet transfer on the back I didn't notice for a few days, showing his name. Wet Sheet transfers are very common in the Type 2 white borders, rarely seen in the Silvers. Both the Driscoll's are the "stained corner" variation.
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Old 12-19-2021, 01:59 AM
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And here's some more from the week.

The Donovan is a very tough variation with the red ink from the background wall inked over the floor as well. I did not have this confirmed with the 649 back on this card until now. A member was kind enough to dig through his collection with me and then sell it to me. The Wagner red overprint variation was just the last one I needed. This makes my T220-2 Mecca set complete. I'm at 164/165 on the White Borders, just need Dempsey with a Tolstoi back, which isn't too too rare, just popular.

Batch of T225's, up to 96/250 on these type 1's. The 250 checklist is a presumption, I have not confirmed the existence of all theoretical cards yet. The cards were apparently done by Brett Litho. and Fulgraff, but the cigarette company was outside the ATC, I believe. The lack of a Jack Johnson makes this set fun to build 10 times over as it's light on my wallet and the cards look great.

I'm not picky on condition ever, but especially for tougher types. T224/T229 I've got ten cards now after deciding to go for the 80 card run a few months ago. That's a better pace than I'd expected to begin, it will quickly tail off. Not very popular but pretty tough.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:43 PM
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I don't really fit into the modern hobby much, but I really enjoy the base cards of some of the old timers and historical figures. They aren't worth much, which is very nice. One of the things I'm doing is picking up John L. Sullivan cards. I just got the yellow plate in the mail, had the black one already. 2 of the 4 down. I have 3 of his 4 Goodwin plates. It's really, really, really hard to do a plate run, because the odds are 1 or more of them are in a box somewhere unopened, or the person who pulled them just puts them in their collection and never puts up for sale or mentions it. Lot of fun when they do appear, and rarely cost very much.
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I grabbed this because it was only $4.75 and looked like it had silver boarders. It's just really dirty. The second picture is more accurate.
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Just as a heads up, Wagner is impossible with a Silver border. There are 25 known silvers, 99.99% certain that's the true set size; a 26th card has not been shown and would be very difficult and odd to have done based on what we've learned from the sheet material. Images of Wagner's type, the solid backdrop with floor art style, are not available with T220-1 Silver. Silver's are all the outdoor non-FB poses, Choynski, Goldman (different from the styling of the 'in ring with background color' cards in type 2) and FB Randall/Belasco. If there was a 26th card, it would be Heenan, Mace, or one of the Fight Between cards, I think.
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I know it just looked weird in the ebay listing and with the low price it was worth taking a look.
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Old 01-01-2022, 11:50 PM
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Overpaid way too much tonight, and not a boxing card, but it completes a set mostly collected by boxing collectors. #254 out of 254 possible Hassan cards. At 327/328 on Mecca backs, 42/50 on Tolstoi to finish. I've never heard of a complete Hassan set out there, and some of the cards have only been very recently confirmed.
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Greg,


If you donít mind me asking, was this a BIN off of Ebay?
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If you donít mind me asking, was this a BIN off of Ebay?
I snagged it at auction off eBay, $51.11 after shipping and taxes. Which is too much for a track card in a very weak 5 (one of the corners appears to have an indent/crease). H2-30 is a tougher back but usually doesnít carry a premium, there are some oddly rare Hassan combinations but Sedley is a normal one. Was hoping it would go cheaper but Iím a happy camper, canít wait to crack it out and unify the complete set. 9 total T218ís to go, Iíll be very happy to get one card a year at this point.
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w/ hands raised towards the gods. Took a long time to get this which is supposedly not so scarce.
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Glad you snagged one. Have to show them all together when it arrives. Are you going to do his T219 cards with the same artwork?
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Glad you snagged one. Have to show them all together when it arrives. Are you going to do his T219 cards with the same artwork?
Thanks. I'll scan them when it arrives. I believe I have the t219 but will have to check the binder later. This run was harder than all if the T206 "elite 11" runs I've built. Jeanette deserves some cred because it was an 18 month hunt. Not that the Tolstoi was easy but this one eluded me more.
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The Tolstoi is much rarer, but H30's are notably tougher than the M30/M649/H649 backs. I love the Jeanette/Jeannette artwork with the bold yellow background.

There are 101 cards with the Hassan 30 back without the series 2 notation, 51 with the notation, representing 3 different major print runs.

Group 1) 50 of the H30 cards printed without without the series 2 notation, consisting of the Series 1 subjects minus Handy and Johnson (Green), printed after the Mecca cards. Johnson (Green) was added to production late, and printed with this back in series 1. Johnson (Green) series 1 cards are oriented so that with the back facing the correct way to read it, Johnson's gloves are pointing up.

Group 2) The series 2 subjects produced with the H30 back, without the 2nd series notation. Johnson (Blue) is a no-print, probably because of something to do with the late addition and continuation of his super-printed Green card, or because this time H30 led off Series 2 production and the Blue card had not been designed yet. The Green Johnson appears in this 2nd run again, oriented opposite of his original card, so that if the back is facing the correct way to read it, Johnson's gloves are now pointing down.

The Jeanette error is in this print run. Every one of his H30 no series notation cards has the error; none of the cards with the other backs do. There do not appear to be any short prints in this series. H30 cards are a lot tougher than Mecca backs or H649's, but there are many of them for every Tolstoi.

Group 3) The series 2 subjects, printed again with the series 2 notation added. Johnson (Blue) was printed this time, 51 subjects. Johnson (Blue) probably replaced Johnson (Green) on the production sheets that were often centered around multiples of 25. The Johnson (Green) does exist, though it is incredibly rare. I have only seen 2 copies of it and long offered a bounty simply for proof of its existence. It presumably is not worth much/any more than any other Johnson (Green) because almost nobody cares about H30's. The Hassan 30 cards with the series 2 notation are a bit tougher than the ones without it, slightly less common than Hassan 30 print group 2.

I'd rank the cards with this picture as, easiest to toughest:
Jeannette, Mecca seres 2 649
Jeannette, Hassan series 2 649
Jeannette, Mecca series 2 30
Jeannette, Honest Long Cut Black
Jeanette error, Hassan 30
Jeannette, Hassan series 2 30
Jeannette, Honest Long Cut Green
Jeannette, Miners Extra
Jeannette, Tolstoi
Jeannette, Red Cross
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