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1952 mantle pwcc psa 8
does anyone see the stain? including psa
should be 8 (st) BUY THE CARD NOT THE HOLDER Last edited by sflayank; 10-29-2015 at 08:52 PM. |
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Wow
Yes, below the EY on the front, pretty bold for a PSA 8 of this caliber. Crazy stuff!
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BY THE WAY..THATS AGAINST THE RULES...don't out the mantle..i was going to bid on it..but now you outed it...... |
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I don't know what that would be a stain from. It's definitely noticeable but it certainly doesn't seem to be a factor in the bidding so far. With the centering I will not be surprised if it closes over 400k.
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so anyone going to allege shilling? funny pwcc much less likely to have shilling than regular seller....I guess someone wants to win winning their own card back now and lose 25k or whatever on fees. yeah right
also overnight delivery with insurance for $250 I believe? for a card for $450k I would have a brinks truck deliver the card.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 10-31-2015 at 07:46 AM. |
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I'm certainly not going to allege it. PWCC says, " Auction integrity is their #1 priority ". They said it themselves.....
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I don't think there's any need to shill this one. The price is already higher than the card has been selling for lately. Even if the consignor had considered it, which I certainly hope he didn't, i doubt he would at this point.
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jessie.why not bid more on this card....that way you wont regret being an underbidder on this card 15 years from now and wont have to start another thread about regrets of being an underbidder.....they give you 6 months financing afterall ..thats enough time to mortgage everything or get some loans..so cant say you dont have the money... |
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Are you seriously saying the average eBay sellers auctions are shilled more than a consigners auction? Do you have anything to base this opinion on?
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That stain to me is pretty trivial.
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Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-01-2015 at 05:56 PM. |
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A consignor risks having to be a high bidder and paying a buyers premium on their own card if they win it at an auction house....if they have two or more accounts and they 'win' their card..there is zero chance.....that's what my opinion is based on... you think if it was a private account for the 1952 mantle psa 8..with some guy with 50 feeback theres less of a chance he would shill it then pwcc? go consign a card to pwcc/probstein and win your own consignment with them and tell me what happens...if you are too scared to do it..that proves my point...... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-01-2015 at 04:31 PM. |
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I like your funny weird posts but in all seriousness are they done just to troll? |
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some people like my posts..its not like every one of my posts are hated. ...people that troll like to accuse others of trolling.... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-01-2015 at 05:59 PM. |
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What a beautiful card! I agree that A) the stain should have been noted, and B) it doesn't detract much. That said, the PWCC write-up focuses on this being at the very top of PSA 8 examples, which I'm not sure is true when considering the stain.
On another note, and this isn't to knock the card at all...looking up close, it's easy to notice the top black border is too long. I wondered if all 52T #311 cards had this same border issue, and it looks like many don't. Perhaps it's speaks to the perfectionists at Topps back then that this card would be redone to fix such a small issue. Or more likely, perhaps it speaks to the general variability in their setup and printing back then that minor things like this might vary unintentionally from run to run. Purely academic mind wanderings here as this is a card I definitely will never own!
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Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-03-2015 at 09:14 AM. |
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wish I had some extra change to pick this one up lol
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52 mantle
Btw. Card sold for 62500 including buyers in 2005
Legendary auction...nice profit for the buyer |
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if its the same buyer...card could of changed hands between those times......plus who knows..the guy that paid 62500..maybe his wife got mad at him paying 60k for cardboard..then got divorced that costed him more than 300k increase in value........so who knows!
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"costed??" WTF is that?
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Almost 460k now. Does anyone think this one hits 500k? Personally I think it will fall a little short. If I was a betting man I'd put the over/under at about 480k.
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Still got a few days left, I think it could even reach 550k if there's a bidding war. High-grade 52 mantles never come up for sale now, as they've settled into collections. Just my opinion, and I'm no expert on '52s. ~Owen
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If I was bidding I would want it to hit $500,000 at this point. It is much more impressive to own a half a million dollar card than a $460,000 card. It is the same reason people will pay to for the .01 higher carat diamond to get to the next round number.
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I don't know the market for high-end Mantles but I'll go with $554K, one for each HR, counting the postseason.
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Didn't Brent's note say something about removing false bids after a couple of days letting it run? Has that happened yet? Are all these validated/approved bids along with all future bids?
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Heritage 52 mantle psa 7 mantle
Heritage auctions just sold a 52 topps mantle psa 7 for $227,000!
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Wonder if the non-winners be going for it?? Heritage last recorded PSA 8 sale was for 382,400 (July 30,2015) Note: MileHigh sold a PSA 8 for 309,613.20 (Nov 16,2015) Now which one would you want? HERITAGE or PWCC (not noteing the stain)
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A. The odds of this auction ending on a legit bid is less than probable.
B. If somehow all the bids are legit these guys are just burning money. An 8 hammered in Mile High for $313k last month. C. Bidder 1271 is just toying with the auction. D. $100 bid increments on something pushing a half million dollars is most one of the most absurd things I've seen.
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it not funny but if someone is just playing and 'wins' the auction..they can be sued for 500k etc...normally nobody cares on ebay if someone welches on ebay..but that would be bad precedent on a 500k card Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-06-2015 at 08:15 AM. |
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Based on the 'stain' alone, they could say it was never disclosed and hidden and the decsription states it among the best and 'far superior'
I do not see any disclosure about payments, except for the finanincing part and 10% in 7 days. I am assuming that the buyer can rely on Ebay's policies here and not pay without any harm nor foul, basically using 'not as described'. Quote:
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I think you confused Goldin with mile high https://www.goldinauctions.com/LotDe...entoryid=16317 it's tough to follow what is going on , on eBay because as I understand it, until tomorrow anyone can place a bid with no credit check. I remember when I tried to bid on action comics number one on eBay they had to approve each bidder in advance of any bid. So as a non regular on eBay looking at an ultra high priced item this is a confusing process to me. |
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You are right Ken. I edited my previous post.
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Bidder 1271 may be a legit spender but clearly he has no ethics. I would hate to be going after this card and seeing his bid history.
Eddie Plank Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction -***o ( 1271Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Retracted: US $62,000.00 Bid: Nov-04-15 21:53:00 PST Retracted: Nov-04-15 21:54:20 PST -***o ( 1271Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Retracted: US $60,349.00 Bid: Nov-04-15 21:54:39 PST Retracted: Nov-05-15 12:32:57 PST Ernie Banks Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction -***o ( 1271Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Retracted: US $5,950.00 Bid: Nov-02-15 22:02:37 PST Retracted: Nov-05-15 12:33:35 PST |
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all a dealer needs is one sale at a top price to quote it no matter what....there could be 5 auctions this year...300k, 400k 300k, 330, 300,...and ill I would hear about on why they want $410k for the cards is because a 'a card sold at aucton this year for 400k' the fact is that one card went for 313k in LAST month auction. Cards before than went for FAR MORE and a PRESENT auction goes for 450k..i would not be so quick to say the guy is 'burning' money because of ONE auction... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-07-2015 at 02:44 PM. |
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The '52 Topps Mantle is the Wagner / grail card of the Baby Boomer set. It's fascinating to me how grading and the craze of the modern hobby have continued to push the price of this card up in recent years. I started collecting as a kid in 1986 and used to persuade my mother to buy vintage cards for me at the local shops back when $20 or so for a nice '66 Koufax (still one of my favorites) was considered BIG MONEY. I guess I should have been more persuasive back then when a mid-grade '52 #311 went for "only" a couple of thousand dollars. Hey ma, do you know what this card will be worth in 2015?? The sad thing is, I was doing that kind of persuading back then - but alas, for complete sets of '89 UD and 1990 Donruss and that kind of thing. Doh!
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I guess it's a good thing I collect mostly cards in VG condition. Er,...nevermind I wouldn't be able to afford a '52 #311 even in much worse condition than that. Last edited by jchcollins; 11-09-2015 at 07:34 PM. |
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