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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Joe P
Joe P. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Hankron
The answer is simple. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Hankron
I will point out that, when there is a variation, it is common to say one is the 'standard' and the other one with the small difference is the varation from the standard. Commonly, the standard or 'base' card is judged to be the one that came first, is most plentiful and was figuratively whole. In classical music, you often hear of 'theme and variation'-- meaning, the basic msuic followed by different versions with intentional embelishments or other changes .... The problem with old baseball cards and similar, it's often impossible to determine which example came first, what changes where intentional and why. In these grey or unknowable cases, the hobby often comes up with its own definitions and conceits ('We have decided to call this card the regular card and this card the variation, and not the other way around'), which serve a practical function but collectors should realize involve heavy doses arbitrariness and shouldn't be taken too seriously ... For all hobbies and fields, most generally used definitions are there for a matter of convenience (usually to facilitate communication) and are not literally correct. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Joe P.
Hankron: |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Hankron
As far as Slow Joe goes, if you or others want to call it an error that is fine. Your last post is convincing and logically sound and I honestly have no reason to disagree with it-- other than my admitedly subjective feeling is that 'There's nothing wrong with the Doyle, it's just different.' To me, difference doesn't inherently mean one is right and one is wrong-- even when it's known what the artist or printer intended. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Joe P.
Hankron please forgive me but you're beginning to sound almost like anonymous, he of the unmoveable (my word) mindset. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Hankron
Joe, obviously much of my focus on the subject lies elewhere (the inherent contrivance of naming and defining. Exhibit A: 'Rookie Card'), but I have yet to object to the Doyle being labelled an error. I understand your reasoning that, if the printer didn't intentend to have the card come out a certain way, that the card should be called an error (deviation from intented course). I also understand how the money flows in the hobby. |
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The Magie - Doyle Error vs Variation Caper
Posted By: Joe P.
May the Source be with you. |
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