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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: RobertS
I just noticed an auction on eBay (Item # 1845767795) for a caramel card with a Kendig back that may be problematic. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: David
If the cards are original they were made with half-tone photoengraving which is practically impossible to duplicate in modern times. This type of printing is easy to identify with a handheld miscrocope. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: fkw
I have owned a couple Kendig Chocolate cards, and I think they are real W575-1 cards with a Kendig stamp on back, its that simple. In my opinion, after looking at them in person, the cards look real. If they were fake, I think we'd see more than 2-5 a year on eBay, and not mixed grades like Ive seen. Wish I still had one so I can take a closer look again. I had a nice clean EX+/NRMT one and a low grade G/VG one, both had light printing on back from an ink stamp, and were handcut. I also have a similar "Johnson Candy Co. of Alameda" backstamped card that was originally a blank backed W575-1 that a merchant stamped and used for there own product. These are all handcut from sheets. Frank |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: RobertS
On eBay most of the fakes in the pre-1950 category simply are color photocopies or laser print paste-ups that reproduce real cards, not fantasies or "broders" of cards that never were. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: leon
I had this same email with Glen V. last night. I then looked through about 20 old auction pamphlets to find the Lipset one I was looking for. It had a "Koenisberg" (not sure if that is correct spelling) full box in it. Mr. Lemke also said in an article with David Rudd, of Cycleback fame, that those cards were supposed to be fake. Don't hold my feet to the fire on this one but this is what I believe I read. Those particular ones are definitely NOT fake. The only relation I am making to this card is that just because someone believes something does not mean it is necessarily so. By saying this I am in no way doubting the expertise of those mentioned in this thread. They are recognized experts in our field by all who know them. Having chatted with both of them ( or having several nice emails with Mr. Lemke) I know that both of them are open for new ideas. After seeing a few cards in my short career I will need to examine this type card in person to make my own determination. From the look of it, it looks real. I have several "type" cards, including (2) of the (3) E121 "Creamnut or Goodie Bread" backed cards, a Johnson overprint card, a Witmor backed card, a few Gassler cards, a Gertenrich, some Gasslers, and a few others.......those cards have the "vintage" feel to them. By putting them under a magnifying instrument and actually holding and feeling ( and maybe smelling ) them you can get an idea. Generally, very even toning, that looks "too" even, is not a good sign. The card on ebay does look to have some pretty even toning on back....and yes, I know about most of the series that have trademark even toning.....'49 Leaf etc........bottom line is, if it has the look and feel of an older card it probably is.....I will side with Frank on this one until I can hold one and make my own determination....(not that I would always be correct)..so you guys let me win it and I will give you more of an opinion.....regards all ..... |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: RobertS
Maybe the difference really is in the photo set -- meaning that maybe those with the 1922 photos are legit and the 1916 Collins-McCarthy ones are the imposters. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: Andy Baran
Mark Macrae told me several months ago that all Kendig Chocolate cards are fake. There are very few in this industry who are as honest and knowledgeable as Mark. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: leon
OK folks, never say that I will not admit a mistake I made. After a little investigating I now believe this to be a fake card (at least overprint-wise). It would make absolutely no sense to be advertising a company that was out of business and/or changed their name for 20 years.... |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: RobertS
Leon-- |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: leon
I just did a search on google.com.........shoot me an email at my work if before 4pm CST at lluckey@tx.amherst1.com....or call me at 972-774-7032....so we might chat for a minute ...as you might know I collect obscure issues too |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: David
Okay, I’ve said this before, but I don’t think anyone ever listens. First you need a handheld microscope of at least 30X power (higher power is better, but 30X will do). They cost under $20 each and are commonly found on eBay. Using your new handheld microscope, examine the player picture on the front of the card. If the card has the printing pattern like shown below, it is not a modern fake. |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: leon
Thanks for the scan to show exactly what you are saying.....with that being said there is a good chance the card could be real but the stamp on back be a later version so an unscrupulous person could have financial gain......I had a 20 minute conversation with a very well known expert today (who I will not mention publicly because of his not knowing I am talking about this) and he agrees that this card looks too "even" in the toning dept.....and too, there is no explanation for the fact that the bottom of the card says "Kendig Chocolate Co." which was gone for at least 14 years when this card was issued.....if issued in 1916??.....and the seller says it is an E121/E122 type which dates it even later....too many inconsistancies.....regards all.... |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: fkw
I always assumed the Kendigs were backstamped W575-1 cards, but never looked before. The card I had that I just sold a while back was Clarence Hodge. And I now see that Hodge wasnt in the W575-1 set. Nor is he in the E135 set. Clarence Hodge was only found in the E121 series of 120 set. Interesting. Oh well just thought Id throw that in. I still believe they are real. Frank |
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Counterfeit Kendig Caramel Cards?
Posted By: fkw
Maybe I should read the other posts first?? |
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