Piedmont Cards / ACE Authenticated Babe Ruth Signed Silver Certificates

[Big Dave]

Hello Frank,

I looked on your website, Piedmont Cards, and I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but I know for a fact, that both of these Babe Ruth autographed 1935G Silver Certificates are forgeries. There is absolutely no possible way that these are authentic Babe Ruth autographs. The first one you have for sale at 3000.00 and the second one is for sale at 3500.00.

[Piedmont Sport]

Thanks Dave - ALL ACE autographs removed and we are sending to JSA

[RichardSimon]

Jimmy must be happy,,, 13 Mathewson and 42 Ruth autographs,,, sweet,,,,thousnds of dollars for Jimmy,,
hope you can get a refund on these from your seller Frank.

[Big Dave]

Hi Frank,

Save your money on the two Silver Certificates, as no opinion is needed on these two.

If you will research the names for the Register of Treasury (C. Douglas Dillon) and Secretary of Treasury (Elizabeth Rudel Smith), you will see that their term of office was from 1-30-1961 to 4-13-1962. Being as Babe Ruth died in 1948, it was impossible for him to have signed these Silver Certificates.

Sorry.

[mr2686]

Looks like ACE forgot rule #1...was the item available to sign during the signers lifetime.

[Piedmont Sport]

Thanks Dave - I know the coin shop that they were purchased at in Philadelphia - i'll be there today

[RichardSimon]

I have caught several other items the same way over the years including a Ruth signed picture with a printed insciption at the bottom that said "Greatest Ever right fielder" or something like that. Problem is the "greatest ever" series of photos came out in 1950.
I do my homework when I buy and when I authenticate, guess some others don't.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Hi Frank,

Save your money on the two Silver Certificates, as no opinion is needed on these two.

If you will research the names for the Register of Treasury (C. Douglas Dillon) and Secretary of Treasury (Elizabeth Rudel Smith), you will see that their term of office was from 1-30-1961 to 4-13-1962. Being as Babe Ruth died in 1948, it was impossible for him to have signed these Silver Certificates.

Sorry.

Outstanding detective work Dave, appreciate your reply!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Yes, nice work, Dave.

[Fuddjcal]

Is this Dope Purdy the the new whipping boy or is he going all Chris Moral Less on us and authenticating everything he see's???? I'd like to think he is just a complete Nincompoop and a HORRIBLE authenticator, not a crook like Moral Less, but one has to wonder?

I would say to Frank, the owner of the silver certs... to stop using that butt wad to cert your stuff. He's sinking your ship & trying to ruin your good name. I'd rather buy an auto with nothing on it and know it's authentic than to use a boob like this guy who has been coming up short time and time again lately.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Hello Frank,

I looked on your website, Piedmont Cards, and I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but I know for a fact, that both of these Babe Ruth autographed 1935G Silver Certificates are forgeries. There is absolutely no possible way that these are authentic Babe Ruth autographs. The first one you have for sale at 3000.00 and the second one is for sale at 3500.00.

Dave - Just trying to educate myself a little bit, but can you share why you are so certain these aren't authenticate? Not questioning you, just trying to learn more.

Thanks,
Matt

[Big Dave]

Frank,

There was also a check on your website made out to Babe Ruth and endorsed on the back by him. This check was drawn on the Bank of Manhattan Company. The check was from a Louise B......

Do not waste your money sending that check to JSA either. Spence did certify one of those last year as genuine and the seller put it on eBay with the JSA letter. Apparently, someone contacted Spence after the auction was listed. Spence then contacted the seller and stated he was decertifying the check and invalidating the Letter of Authenticity he had given. For some reason he now stated the Babe Ruth signature on the back of the check was not authentic. This is from information the seller added to the auction after a quite a few people bid on it.

Now keep in mind, the check was reviewed in person by JSA, so they did examine it thoroughly and certified it as a genuine Babe Ruth signature, in their opinion. But later on, JSA stated the signature was not authentic and invalidated the original Letter of Authenticity that they issued.

Maybe it is authentic one day, and maybe it isn't the next. We really don't know.

I have seen a number of these checks over the years, and to my knowledge these are authentic. I have seen these checks in Heritage Auctions, and other places. Spence thought these checks were authentic too. Why that changed, I have no idea.

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Frank,

There was also a check on your website made out to Babe Ruth and endorsed on the back by him. This check was drawn on the Bank of Manhattan Company. The check was from a Louise B......

Do not waste your money sending that check to JSA either. Spence did certify one of those last year as genuine and the seller put it on eBay with the JSA letter. Apparently, someone contacted Spence after the auction was listed. Spence then contacted the seller and stated he was decertifying the check and invalidating the Letter of Authenticity he had given. For some reason he now stated the Babe Ruth signature on the back of the check was not authentic. This is from information the seller added to the auction after a quite a few people bid on it.

Now keep in mind, the check was reviewed in person by JSA, so they did examine it thoroughly and certified it as a genuine Babe Ruth signature, in their opinion. But later on, JSA stated the signature was not authentic and invalidated the original Letter of Authenticity that they issued.

Maybe it is authentic one day, and maybe it isn't the next. We really don't know.

I have seen a number of these checks over the years, and to my knowledge these are authentic. I have seen these checks in Heritage Auctions, and other places. Spence thought these checks were authentic too. Why that changed, I have no idea.

Here is one the Roaches are selling: http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/196/babe-r...eck-piece.aspx

[old13man]

Not only did he disappear from here...he pulled out of ebay also. He is no longer a registered user. Wonder where his stuff will pop up next?

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by old13man

Not only did he disappear from here...he pulled out of ebay also. He is no longer a registered user. Wonder where his stuff will pop up next?

Charles,
Who are you talking about, Frank Prisco?

[old13man]

Yes

[Leon]

Originally Posted by old13man

Wonder where his stuff will pop up next?

The natural progression would be Craig's List.

[Mr. Zipper]

This is quite stunning.

Sure puts Frank's carping about TPAs in a different light.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Frank,

There was also a check on your website made out to Babe Ruth and endorsed on the back by him. This check was drawn on the Bank of Manhattan Company. The check was from a Louise B......

Do not waste your money sending that check to JSA either. Spence did certify one of those last year as genuine and the seller put it on eBay with the JSA letter. Apparently, someone contacted Spence after the auction was listed. Spence then contacted the seller and stated he was decertifying the check and invalidating the Letter of Authenticity he had given. For some reason he now stated the Babe Ruth signature on the back of the check was not authentic. This is from information the seller added to the auction after a quite a few people bid on it.

Now keep in mind, the check was reviewed in person by JSA, so they did examine it thoroughly and certified it as a genuine Babe Ruth signature, in their opinion. But later on, JSA stated the signature was not authentic and invalidated the original Letter of Authenticity that they issued.

Maybe it is authentic one day, and maybe it isn't the next. We really don't know.

I have seen a number of these checks over the years, and to my knowledge these are authentic. I have seen these checks in Heritage Auctions, and other places. Spence thought these checks were authentic too. Why that changed, I have no idea.

I wonder they then issued a letter of inauthencity.... heh.

Ricky Y

[windband]

I know this forum has been pretty inactive for a while but I just discovered it and wanted to chime in and share my experience dealing with Frank and Piedmont sports. I was the purchaser of Mantle Aaron ball discussed on this forum back in April

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135030

I originally went to his store to sell him an antique football jersey I owned. He offered me $50 cash or store credit. So I looked at his online store and saw the ball for sale on ebay. I won the auction for about $45 so I just considered it an even trade with him. I picked up the ball and then started researching it a bit more which is how I found the forum discussing it's authenticity which I immediately brought to his attention. He responded saying he would track down or obtain a cert for it. After a few weeks he gave up on the cert but was confident that the Aaron was real and the Mantle clubhouse. He gave me the option of retrieving my jersey or keeping the ball. I found a very similar ball personalized to the same person by Ted Williams and also signed by Hank Aaron and Certed by JSA.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370501097523...84.m1438.l2649

The Aaron Sig is almost identical so I figured they were signed around the same time and decided to keep the ball since $50 for an Aaron autograph on a Cronin ball was still a good deal.

When I went to pick up the ball Frank pulled a real classy move (no sarcasm implied) and decided to give me my Jersey back as well so basically the ball was completely free. To make the deal sweeter it occurred to me that if their ever was a cert for the ball with JSA as Frank claimed; that it would probably have been certed around the same time as that Ted Williams/Aaron ball on ebay. That ball's cert # is B88462 so I went to JSA's site and searched similar numbers. Bam!!! B88464 was a match (an Aaron Sig with clubhouse Mantle on a Reach ball). The whole experience with Frank was a bit shady but it taught me a lot about collecting and I left Piedmont a Satisfied customer. This forum is obviously discussing a much bigger issue but I figured I'de share my 2 cents.

P.S. I sold the antique Football Jersey on ebay for over $300 so I'm really happy he gave it back.

[slidekellyslide]

Windband, as per our forum rules you must put your name at the end of your post if you want to participate in this thread.

[Leon]

I just spoke to windband (poster right above) on the phone. Except for showing in a Google search he is cool with having his name out here, which is Dan Saltzma@....I appreciate his understanding. regards

[mr2686]

After a few weeks he gave up on the cert but was confident that the Aaron was real and the Mantle clubhouse.

Wow...and after several pages of going back and forth with me about how the Mantle had to be real because the Aaron was real and that some "real" Mantles looked like that because not all look like the fancy ones you see from shows.
I'm wondering how, after a few weeks of not finding the cert, he suddenly had the revelation that the Mantle was a clubhouse? Some things just make you go hmmmm.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Wow...and after several pages of going back and forth with me about how the Mantle had to be real because the Aaron was real and that some "real" Mantles looked like that because not all look like the fancy ones you see from shows.
I'm wondering how, after a few weeks of not finding the cert, he suddenly had the revelation that the Mantle was a clubhouse? Some things just make you go hmmmm.

I find it interesting too, and hmmmm worthy, that someone who never posted before appears on the board with his first and only post, and states what he states.