Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

[ding974]

It is amazing how easy it is to press some of you people's buttons--like throwing scraps of food to the monkeys in the cages at the zoo. Hopefully I have some more spare time to see the next perceived witty retort.. Honestly, you people sound like a bunch of 8 year old girls in grade school whining.

What are there on this sight, 15-20 regulars?? If you think people take you seriously then there would be thousands on here--so keep deluding yourself.

If you've got some proof beyond a reasonable doubt then go to law enforcement, and don't just sit on your computer trying to be witty with the other losers here who you can commiserate with in your shared life's miseries.

[parker1b2]

This board has the most knowledgeable collectors in the hobby. I would take people's opinions on this board on authentication over anywhere else, including PSA, JSA etc. As someone who has been collecting for almost 30 years, I have learned more from this board then anywhere else.

And as a sales manager that sells collectibles, wouldn't you want the community here to be your customers? The members here probably spend more on the hobby then anywhere else.

PS-I would also like to see a link to the items you guys have available for sale.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by ding974

It is amazing how easy it is to press some of you people's buttons--like throwing scraps of food to the monkeys in the cages at the zoo. Hopefully I have some more spare time to see the next perceived witty retort.. Honestly, you people sound like a bunch of 8 year old girls in grade school whining.

What are there on this sight, 15-20 regulars?? If you think people take you seriously then there would be thousands on here--so keep deluding yourself.

If you've got some proof beyond a reasonable doubt then go to law enforcement, and don't just sit on your computer trying to be witty with the other losers here who you can commiserate with in your shared life's miseries.

Curious why your autographs are not examined by the most popular hobby authenticators PSA and JSA? I have issues with them but they get it right much more often than they get it wrong. You would think that inventory such as yours would do much better sales wise if they had certs from JSA or PSA.

[Shoeless Moe]

this one?......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-A...vip=true&rt=nc

[Shoeless Moe]

and this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TY-COBB-SIG...p2047675.l2557


funny thing in the listing it says "I'm not a collector" yet the Ebay ID is JJCollector504


also sold these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-s...p2047675.l2557

[ruth-gehrig]

http://stores.ebay.com/Joe-DiMaggio-Estate

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We review every single item that we offer for sale. Our sources have been checked and rechecked. We discuss at length collections we purchase more often than not from clients that have been buying from us for years. After 20 years of collecting and 15 years of selling, we are confident that our process works. We guarantee that every signature was carefully examined and deemed in our opinion to be authentic. If you have an Authenticator that states the item purchased is not authentic and will stand behind their position, then we will issue a refund. It is important to note that we will not accept an Authenticator that states, “It is our opinion that we cannot approve the signature” or words to that effect. He or she must be able to prove that it is not authentic. This must be accomplished within 30 days from the date of purchase. Prior to purchase, we will be happy to explain the paperwork accompanying the item. It is important to ask necessary questions to make the right decision.

Unless we have seen the item signed by ourselves, we cannot guarantee, nor can anyone else, the authenticity of a signature. Upon hearing that, the first response should be, “What about third-party authentication? That guarantees that the signature is 100% authentic!” Unfortunately, it does not, as it is still a rendered opinion. There are many collectors that do not believe in third-party authentication. There are many collectors that have confidence in specific Authenticators while refusing to accept others. Combine the fact that authentication is not an exact science and the sheer volume that is reviewed on a daily basis; most reputable Authenticators themselves will admit that even under the best of circumstances, their findings are merely an opinion. It is not concrete proof of a genuine autograph.

There are dozens of autograph authentication companies in existence today – from so-called handwriting experts to forensic examiners to corporate examiners like PSA/DNA and many others that claim to use state-of-the-art technology with names that very few people understand like Color Spectral Deconvolution. The autograph authentication choices available to a collector are confusing at best. These companies make their share of mistakes given the nature of the authentication as just an opinion in the first place. Add to this the thousands of autographs the top-tier companies are asked to authenticate each and every day, coupled with the fact that authentication is a for-profit business, and you can imagine the potential issue that may result. Going one step further, would you continue to use an Authenticator that rejected 20%-30% of the items he/she reviewed? And where are these companies finding these experts to review and give a go/no-go on all these items?

One thing we cannot do and no one else can do either, guarantee the authenticity of any signature we did not see signed ourselves. It is also difficult, in most cases, to prove with 100% certainty that a signature is not authentic. Common sense oftentimes works. If a ball is made in 1960 and the player died in 1940, then obviously he did not sign it. So where does that leave the collector? Does third-party authentication have any value? Especially when you send an item to several Authenticators, and receive at least two opinions. Memorabilia Center and every individual selling vintage signatures have one fact in common: we were not present when the signature was signed. Thus, how can we be so certain that our process works above all others? Our process has worked since 1999 and we follow it at all times. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Your ultimate satisfaction and trust is our #1 goal!

[Michael B]

Pal - Per the SITE (not sight) rules you must include your full name when you are offering an opinion of someone or company which you clearly have. You appear to be the one hiding anonymously. If you wish to toss out accusations you should have the grunt to post your name. I am not an expert on Ruth or Gehrig and trust the word of the people that do offer an opinion. However, what little I have learned I would guess that a blind Tibetan monk with Parkinson's Disease could probably do a better forgery that the ones originally shown.

[ding974]

I noticed in Richard Simon's reply he says at the bottom "ask for my autograph price list." So basically you are in the autograph selling business, yourself--isn't that correct? Casting aspersions on competitors in some peoples minds is a way for them to try to get business away from a competitor. Is that the case with you---because it sure appears to be??

In truth, the reason I waited 3 years to respond to VA Yankees comments, is because it was only in the last couple of days a competitor informed me of the same problems he had with the same fellow, and about his posting. I usually don't spend a minute of time looking at these "whine-lines."

What I do find interesting, and give support to my hypothesis, is that from simply posting a rebuttal from some unbeknownst guy to most of you, the immediate inclination on your parts was to immediately start casting accusations and snarky comments in my direction without knowing squat. That is proven by somebody pointing out a Gehrig/Ruth item, that if you actually looked at our website would see we have absolutely not an item signed by either one of them up for sale.

For me, I got my Sunday laughs reading this stuff. Anybody who was lucid who would read most of the posts on this site would also find spending more than a few minutes for entertainment, also a waste of time. If any of the fairy tales that are spun on here had a shred of evidence backing them up, the entities you accuse (all your competitors--but not yourselve's of course) would all be out of business and/or locked up.

So have at it--given you all enough fodder to stay out of your usual haunts like the saloons and the bread lines to knock yourself out and write nasty, disparaging, non-factual comments backed up without 1 shred of evidence until your heart is content, and then maybe when I come back to this site again 10 years from now I'll be able to get some more laughs.

[parker1b2]

[QUOTE=ding974;1754100]I noticed in Richard Simon's reply he says at the bottom "ask for my autograph price list." So basically you are in the autograph selling business, yourself--isn't that correct? Casting aspersions on competitors in some peoples minds is a way for them to try to get business away from a competitor. Is that the case with you---because it sure appears to



Richard is in the Authentic autograph selling business.

[Kco]

Originally Posted by ding974

I noticed in Richard Simon's reply he says at the bottom "ask for my autograph price list." So basically you are in the autograph selling business, yourself--isn't that correct? Casting aspersions on competitors in some peoples minds is a way for them to try to get business away from a competitor. Is that the case with you---because it sure appears to be??

In truth, the reason I waited 3 years to respond to VA Yankees comments, is because it was only in the last couple of days a competitor informed me of the same problems he had with the same fellow, and about his posting. I usually don't spend a minute of time looking at these "whine-lines."

What I do find interesting, and give support to my hypothesis, is that from simply posting a rebuttal from some unbeknownst guy to most of you, the immediate inclination on your parts was to immediately start casting accusations and snarky comments in my direction without knowing squat. That is proven by somebody pointing out a Gehrig/Ruth item, that if you actually looked at our website would see we have absolutely not an item signed by either one of them up for sale.

For me, I got my Sunday laughs reading this stuff. Anybody who was lucid who would read most of the posts on this site would also find spending more than a few minutes for entertainment, also a waste of time. If any of the fairy tales that are spun on here had a shred of evidence backing them up, the entities you accuse (all your competitors--but not yourselve's of course) would all be out of business and/or locked up.

So have at it--given you all enough fodder to stay out of your usual haunts like the saloons and the bread lines to knock yourself out and write nasty, disparaging, non-factual comments backed up without 1 shred of evidence until your heart is content, and then maybe when I come back to this site again 10 years from now I'll be able to get some more laughs.

For someone who doesn’t care what the 20 people who use this site have to say, you sure are writing a ton of long winded defensive comments. You sell blatant forgeries man, when I want a good Sunday laugh I hop on over to your auctions, but please, keep on going!

[chaddurbin]

honesty this guy is good...the stuff they sell is horseshit, but the deflection and diversion is on point! after 18 years of selling crap he's got an excuse and comeback for any situation down pat.

[steve B]

Highlighting by me.

Originally Posted by ding974

What I do find interesting, and give support to my hypothesis, is that from simply posting a rebuttal from some unbeknownst guy to most of you, the immediate inclination on your parts was to immediately start casting accusations and snarky comments in my direction without knowing squat. That is proven by somebody pointing out a Gehrig/Ruth item, that if you actually looked at our website would see we have absolutely not an item signed by either one of them up for sale.

Oh really? No Ruth items for sale?

https://memorabiliacenter.com/produc...sox-display-3/


That website is the same one listed on your LOA as seen here.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mant...item4677bc69ce

Soo..... you're the sales manager, and you don't know you've got a Ruth item for sale?
And we're the ones spending our time in saloons?

Unless you actually meant that any Ruth or Gehrig items you're selling are not actually signed by them?

[Michael B]

[QUOTE=Shoeless Moe;1754076]and this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TY-COBB-SIG...p2047675.l2557


funny thing in the listing it says "I'm not a collector" yet the Ebay ID is JJCollector504


Love that COF from Bowie Kuhn!! I did not know he was an autograph expert when he was alive.

[Sophiedog]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

this one?......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-A...vip=true&rt=nc

At first glance the COA looks like a JSA. Has the same silver lettering on top

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

this one?......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-A...vip=true&rt=nc

The COF (Cert of Forgery) is from R&R Enterprises in North Carolina, not to be confused with RR in New Hampshire. The website is amusing. Love the George Bush and Richard Nixon signed baseballs. Both good for a backyard game of catch.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ding974

What are there on this sight, 15-20 regulars?? If you think people take you seriously then there would be thousands on here--so keep deluding yourself.

Thanks for joining. Now there are a thousand and a half.

[Golfcollector]

Not to dig up old news....but since I look on ebay for Crawford items...it didn't take long to find a thread on similar items here..

A sam crawford auto ball via the Ken Smith collection and a COA from Halper.
Looks like the same seller has sold some others lately too looking at feedback.


I really do love reading the posts on this board.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Golfcollector

Not to dig up old news....but since I look on ebay for Crawford items...it didn't take long to find a thread on similar items here..

A sam crawford auto ball via the Ken Smith collection and a COA from Halper.
Looks like the same seller has sold some others lately too looking at feedback.


I really do love reading the posts on this board.

I have never agreed with the authenticity of any "Halper" COA. IMO they are all part of a scam.

[rjackson44]

love richard jaffe shelly but my question is why is coaches corners owners not in jail yet ,why ,,you cant make this up

[Wrightfan85]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

love richard jaffe shelly but my question is why is coaches corners owners not in jail yet ,why ,,you cant make this up

They even have a 30 lb "mystery box." I don't even believe it's 30 lbs and it's probably just a box period.

My favorites this month are the Washingtom and Adams autos done in the same red ink. Wonder where I can find a green sharpie auto of Jefferson?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

love richard jaffe shelly but my question is why is coaches corners owners not in jail yet ,why ,,you cant make this up

There was, at one time, a serious investigation of CC. For some unknown reason, it came to a screeching halt.
A member here (not me, not Shelly, not Chris) had documented CC's auctions for years and turned over his files to the proper authorities. It seemed that progress was being made and then all of a sudden poof, the investigation came to a screeching halt.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

There was, at one time, a serious investigation of CC. For some unknown reason, it came to a screeching halt.
A member here (not me, not Shelly, not Chris) had documented CC's auctions for years and turned over his files to the proper authorities. It seemed that progress was being made and then all of a sudden poof, the investigation came to a screeching halt.

I remember that.