The Ohtani 50 50 ball -- lawsuit to stop Goldin Auction

[Peter_Spaeth]

Please delete if already posted. Plaintiff claims consignor stole the ball from him after he gained possession.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fan-claimin...195832628.html

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Please delete if already posted. Plaintiff claims consignor stole the ball from him after he gained possession.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fan-claimin...195832628.html

It's hard to see the exact moment of "possession" from those videos, but clearly Belanski wrestled it away from Matus.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Update.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ani-50-50-ball

[Peter_Spaeth]

This reminds me so much of the fictionalized Bobby Thomson home run ball arm wrestling scene under the seat in Dom Delillo's Underworld (Pafko at the Wall).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Had the game been in LA, the Dodger staff probably would have locked the guy in a room with no food or bathroom until he traded the ball for an autographed photo.

[campyfan39]

If someone did rip the ball out of an 18-year-olds hand, that's some crap

[Peter_Spaeth]

Full evidentiary hearing October 10, which is before the auction ends. A settlement between Matus and Belanski would not surprise me, obviously there will be plenty of money to go around.

[oldjudge]

"Belanski put his “arm in between his legs and wrangled the 50/50 Ball out "

He's just lucky Belanski got the right ball

[todeen]

I watched the film, and you can see the 18yo visibly upset losing the ball. I'm not sure what precedent there is, but I vaguely remember other lawsuits like this previously. Was it for a McGwire ball, or Bonds?

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[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by todeen

I watched the film, and you can see the 18yo visibly upset losing the ball. I'm not sure what precedent there is, but I vaguely emerge other lawsuits like this previously. Was it for a McGwire ball, or Bonds?

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It was the Bonds ball. Popov v. Hayashi - the judge split ownership of the ball between the first guy to lay hands on it (but immediately got it knocked away by a pile of fans tackling him) and the guy who ended up with it after picking it up off the floor while everyone else was squishing the firsy guy.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

It was the Bonds ball. Popov v. Hayashi - the judge split ownership of the ball between the first guy to lay hands on it (but immediately got it knocked away by a pile of fans tackling him) and the guy who ended up with it after picking it up off the floor while everyone else was squishing the firsy guy.

Thank you. I hope this kids lawyer knows precedent.

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by todeen

Thank you. I hope this kids lawyer knows precedent.

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With the Bonds ball, the plaintiff was wearing a baseball glove and caught the ball in his glove. The people around him knocked the ball out of his glove and the defendant ended up in possession of the ball.

Here no one caught the ball, it was loose on the ground and the parties were fighting to gain posssession of it.

[Keith H. Thompson]

"possession being 9/10 of the law?" I've always thought that strong arm methods, beating up small kids, and martial tactics are just part of the game. And you have to be there in person to appreciate it. One game at Fenway years ago vs the Yankees in the seventies, my small son, about 10 years ago, upon exiting via a rooftop spied a ball near the edge, perhaps a foul ignored during the game. As he literally had it in his hand, a grown man pushed him over on his head and took it away from him. It was dangerous. The man disappeared, but I was furious and complained to management by mail. They mailed me two baseballs for which we were grateful. I also recall that Phil Rizutto was an onlooker and sympathized with my son which took all of the sting out of it. It wasn't an official exit, sort of player's exit.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by rats60

With the Bonds ball, the plaintiff was wearing a baseball glove and caught the ball in his glove. The people around him knocked the ball out of his glove and the defendant ended up in possession of the ball.



Here no one caught the ball, it was loose on the ground and the parties were fighting to gain posssession of it.

The way I see the video, the 18yo is the first person in the camera view, and is standing in the location the ball lands after bouncing off the sign. He is the first person there until others run in to make the dog pile, including the man who comes away with the ball. The 18yo bends over to grab the ball and is unable to stand up with the ball because he is stuck, most likely by the man who comes away with the ball. I think it is very possible the judge will see it this way to as long as the boys lawyer is a convincing story teller.

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[todeen]

Here is a view, once the green shirt guy misses it the second time, the first person in the frame on the ground is the 18 yo Matus.
https://youtube.com/shorts/C-QLPZ4DJ...JWkc3Wy1CU3xTb

I don't see a striped shirt guy as the first or second guy in multiple videos. I wonder what video he is providing? the first video on Twitter I saw has not been posted on YouTube. Or it's been buried by influencer videos.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL WTF. This guy is full of it.

Video footage from the stands shows Davidov, wearing a blue-and-white striped shirt, smiling and shaking Belanski's hand after the latter man had secured the ball. Workman attributed that action to "the adrenaline, the historic moment."

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ESMoqp5_o00

[todeen]

This is similar enough that I'm not starting a new thread. SC Man is Suing Marlins and Dodgers for Base From 50/50 Game.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2643362.html

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[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by todeen

This is similar enough that I'm not starting a new thread. SC Man is Suing Marlins and Dodgers for Base From 50/50 Game.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2643362.html

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Hmmm, interesting and complicated. I was ready to say the guy was full of sh*t, but not sure after reading the full article.

Does a sales rep have the power of being responsible for a "verbal contract", without an invoice being sent out, or payment made?

Signed - Definitely NOT a lawyer

[todeen]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Hmmm, interesting and complicated. I was ready to say the guy was full of sh*t, but not sure after reading the full article.



Does a sales rep have the power of being responsible for a "verbal contract", without an invoice being sent out, or payment made?



Signed - Definitely NOT a lawyer

My father was a big business guy. He ran Marlboro sales in the state of Montana. Set up concerts, air shows, snowmobile races. When he talked to anyone over the phone for personal stuff like banking, home repairs, etc, he always wrote down employee names and call back numbers, especially if he dialed a 1-800 number. I thought he was weird. If this guy wrote down any Marlins rep information, I would think he would have quite a case to make. My true opinion is this will be settled out of court.

As to why the Dodgers took all the bases, I assume one is going to the HOF.

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[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by todeen

My father was a big business guy. He ran Marlboro sales in the state of Montana. Set up concerts, air shows, snowmobile races. When he talked to anyone over the phone for personal stuff like banking, home repairs, etc, he always wrote down employee names and call back numbers, especially if he dialed a 1-800 number. I thought he was weird. If this guy wrote down any Marlins rep information, I would think he would have quite a case to make. My true opinion is this week be settled out of court.

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Sounds like he had e-mail communications with the rep. Would that be enough to claim ownership?

Rep also threw in the caveat that they don't want to invoice him before the event actually takes place. Would that be enough to qualify for some sort of extenuating circumstances argument?

[Gary Dunaier]

The Ohtani 50-50 ball is now on display in Taiwan.

The Athletic: Shohei Ohtani’s 50th home run ball goes on display inside Taiwan skyscraper