1989 Fleer Randy Johnson #381 Marlboro Errors - 30 Years Later

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Wow! Wow! Wow! You found 2!! Those are gorgeous cards and they more than likely came from the same case as that clear! That’s unreal. PSA’s labeling is wrong to start and then they apply the labels inconsistently, so you shouldn’t care too much about that. I’ll take one from you for $200 to ease your worries of over paying.

PSA makes no sense with these cards, no doubt. i'd love to get a detailed explanation as to what is "obscured" and what isn't. i have cards that for sure looked like marlboro that were tagged obscured...and then you see ones for sale that are obscured and can't see any of the sign.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

PSA makes no sense with these cards, no doubt. i'd love to get a detailed explanation as to what is "obscured" and what isn't. i have cards that for sure looked like marlboro that were tagged obscured...and then you see ones for sale that are obscured and can't see any of the sign.

My favorite are the Marlboro box and dark tint cards PSA labeled as Ad Completely Blocked Out. I have bought several over the years for next to nothing.

This thread is awesome, only bad part is sometimes I get that urge to go after them again. Luckily so far I have not given in to the urge.

Steve with all your great posts you should put the post # of your break down picture of the different versions in your signature. Then it would appear at the bottom of all your posts. I know it would make it way easier for people(me) reading this thread to find it.

[Statfreak101]

A few months ago I picked up a PSA version that is listed "1989 Fleer Glossy, Randy Johnson, Ad Partially Obscured."

The funny thing - it isn't a glossy, and it isn't an ad partially obscured. It is a Black Box with the regular yellow back.

I will have to post pictures of it sometime when I pull it out.

[steve5838]

In case anyone is interested, here is another closeup of the blue box version. It seems to have a lack of dark blue tint over the areas with the lettering and the cowboy. I keep imagining taking this blue box version and replacing the light green color with very dark reddish/black tint and replacing the dark blue color with green tint. Would this lead to the "g1" and "gb2" versions? The shape of the "cutout" around the cowboy seems pretty similar.

Steve
(my stab at organizing some of the versions in post #143)

[steve B]

The way they probably did that blue box would be by cutting a hole in the mask for the cyan plate, making a cyan rectangle. The formerly red area ends up dark blue/purple because of the red overlay. and the rest is greenish where yellow would have been part of the sign.

Where it meets the ear you can see how the cyan has no halftone dot pattern.

Scribbles were probably done on the press by scratching or scuffing the plate.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by steve B

The way they probably did that blue box would be by cutting a hole in the mask for the cyan plate, making a cyan rectangle. The formerly red area ends up dark blue/purple because of the red overlay. and the rest is greenish where yellow would have been part of the sign.

Where it meets the ear you can see how the cyan has no halftone dot pattern.

Scribbles were probably done on the press by scratching or scuffing the plate.

You da man Steve B! I really appreciate you providing your invaluable perspective on these!

[steve5838]

Originally Posted by steve B

The way they probably did that blue box would be by cutting a hole in the mask for the cyan plate, making a cyan rectangle. The formerly red area ends up dark blue/purple because of the red overlay. and the rest is greenish where yellow would have been part of the sign.

Where it meets the ear you can see how the cyan has no halftone dot pattern.

Scribbles were probably done on the press by scratching or scuffing the plate.

Awesome! This really helps me better understand the process. Thank you!

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by steve5838

In case anyone is interested, here is another closeup of the blue box version. It seems to have a lack of dark blue tint over the areas with the lettering and the cowboy. I keep imagining taking this blue box version and replacing the light green color with very dark reddish/black tint and replacing the dark blue color with green tint. Would this lead to the "g1" and "gb2" versions? The shape of the "cutout" around the cowboy seems pretty similar.

Steve
(my stab at organizing some of the versions in post #143)

I think this is my favorite of the versions that get lumped into "box" varieties. I've picked up a few listed as such.

[jacksoncoupage]

Updated the JunkWaxGems entry for this nightmare fun card.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/20...ro-variations/

steve5838 - I've used your stencil close-up pic, I will remove or credit if you would like.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Updated the JunkWaxGems entry for this nightmare fun card.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/20...ro-variations/

steve5838 - I've used your stencil close-up pic, I will remove or credit if you would like.

Thank you for making this public again. I can say with 100% certainty that your site helped lead me into collecting these cards and established the foundation for what I know about the variations.

The actual way Fleer manufactured the cards is basically a combination of what you have mentioned and the way Steve has his chart setup. I was messaging with Steve some today and mentioned this to him as well. Trying to figure out what Fleer did to make these variations has been one of my main goals after starting to collect the cards and is also one of my favorite aspects about these cards and is what makes them so fun and unique to collect. I don't want to ruin this aspect for others, but its probably best after all these years to have the mystery solved.

Before I get further into the details of the true manner in which Fleer created the errors, I wanted to take a step back and describe some of the basics of the cards and what my experience was like building a collection of them. It might take me a couple days to get a post together and it might be kind of lengthy, but it should be informative.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Thank you for making this public again. I can say with 100% certainty that your site helped lead me into collecting these cards and established the foundation for what I know about the variations.

The actual way Fleer manufactured the cards is basically a combination of what you have mentioned and the way Steve has his chart setup. I was messaging with Steve some today and mentioned this to him as well. Trying to figure out what Fleer did to make these variations has been one of my main goals after starting to collect the cards and is also one of my favorite aspects about these cards and is what makes them so fun and unique to collect. I don't want to ruin this aspect for others, but its probably best after all these years to have the mystery solved.

Before I get further into the details of the true manner in which Fleer created the errors, I wanted to take a step back and describe some of the basics of the cards and what my experience was like building a collection of them. It might take me a couple days to get a post together and it might be kind of lengthy, but it should be informative.

I will say this: if I hadn't lost the password to the block, it would've been public again a while back. It is still my goal to make the blog entry the most accessible summary of the card. I will leave it up to those who discover it or start collecting it to find forum discussions like this if they'd like to dive further into them beyond my "easy-to-understand" thirteen types.

The images included, from 2009 or so are no longer in my possession. I have long sold all of them and rebuilt the collection (twice now...) but what I would give for a few of them back! I'd love to include more close up pics of some of the more unusual or rare types if anyone wishes to submit them.

[steve5838]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Thank you for making this public again. I can say with 100% certainty that your site helped lead me into collecting these cards and established the foundation for what I know about the variations.

The actual way Fleer manufactured the cards is basically a combination of what you have mentioned and the way Steve has his chart setup. I was messaging with Steve some today and mentioned this to him as well. Trying to figure out what Fleer did to make these variations has been one of my main goals after starting to collect the cards and is also one of my favorite aspects about these cards and is what makes them so fun and unique to collect. I don't want to ruin this aspect for others, but its probably best after all these years to have the mystery solved.

Before I get further into the details of the true manner in which Fleer created the errors, I wanted to take a step back and describe some of the basics of the cards and what my experience was like building a collection of them. It might take me a couple days to get a post together and it might be kind of lengthy, but it should be informative.

I personally can't wait. Thank you!

[steve5838]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Updated the JunkWaxGems entry for this nightmare fun card.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/20...ro-variations/

steve5838 - I've used your stencil close-up pic, I will remove or credit if you would like.

Yay! Thanks for making this incredible resource available again. You've made my day! No need to credit anything. Just happy to have a copy of the version in my collection now.

Steve

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by steve5838

Yay! Thanks for making this incredible resource available again. You've made my day! No need to credit anything. Just happy to have a copy of the version in my collection now.

Steve

Incredible, you say? Thank you.

I mentioned above that if you or anyone else wants to contribute similar focused pics of some of the rarer or less-frequently seen versions, I'd love to add them to the blog. Perhaps just a few more of the truly unusual.