Ebay reneger report!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Another annoyance is what I consider hostage feedback. Once I've paid and provided an address, I've done all that I must do, the seller should enter feedback. For a seller to say he'll leave feedback after I have seems BS.

I think it would be horrible practice for a seller in the long run to provide feedback before receiving feedback or proof of delivery. Thinking this way is painting all buyers as yourself. Honestly as an exseller on eBay (because of shoddy buyers and no protection for sellers) a non payer was the least of my worries.

The seller risk starts at shipping, it can be people who state they never received, even with confirmation they can purposely damage items and demand a return for the item being misrepresented. As well as demand odd things like partial refunds by truly holding feedback hostage as buyers are the only party that can provide negative feedback. There are a million other scams also that leave the seller holding the bag at great loss.

I don’t believe it would help their case with a judge, postmaster, eBay or PayPal if I as a seller had left glowing feedback on the transaction and then they pull this.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think it would be horrible practice for a seller in the long run to provide feedback before receiving feedback or proof of delivery. Thinking this way is painting all buyers as yourself. Honestly as an exseller on eBay (because of shoddy buyers and no protection for sellers) a non payer was the least of my worries.

The seller risk starts at shipping, it can be people who state they never received, even with confirmation they can purposely damage items and demand a return for the item being misrepresented. As well as demand odd things like partial refunds by truly holding feedback hostage as buyers are the only party that can provide negative feedback. There are a million other scams also that leave the seller holding the bag at great loss.

I don’t believe it would help their case with a judge, postmaster, eBay or PayPal if I as a seller had left glowing feedback on the transaction and then they pull this.

Buyers who use PayPal have 180 days to file a claim, do you hold off giving feedback for that long?

[Throttlesteer]

I have seen a significant uptick with non-paying bidders. Not sure why you bid on something, win it, and then ignore it. But that's exactly what's happening.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I have seen a significant uptick with non-paying bidders. Not sure why you bid on something, win it, and then ignore it. But that's exactly what's happening.

Sometimes to run up the comps if they are trying to or going to sell the same item...

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Buyers who use PayPal have 180 days to file a claim, do you hold off giving feedback for that long?

I honestly don’t sell on eBay anymore, I do not like the buyer risk quotient.

If they returned the sellers ability to negative feedback poor buyers so they can be found and blocked easier, I would start again no problem.

[ALR-bishop]

I buy quite a bit on eBay, and have never sold anything. When I started on eBay sellers in my view had the upper hand, and some abused it. Now the rules have totally changed to favor the buyers, and I realize there are many dishonest and crazy buyers who abuse the system. As strictly a buyer I do not favor the current system because it is too one sided and has driven many good sellers off eBay, which is not good for us honest buyers

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I honestly don’t sell on eBay anymore, I do not like the buyer risk quotient.

If they returned the sellers ability to negative feedback poor buyers so they can be found and blocked easier, I would start again no problem.

Thank the sellers who abused the feedback system by leaving retaliatory negative feedback when buyers did nothing wrong. Buyers were afraid to leave honest feedback. This system is far from perfect but its better than old system.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Thank the sellers who abused the feedback system by leaving retaliatory negative feedback when buyers did nothing wrong. Buyers were afraid to leave honest feedback. This system is far from perfect but its better than old system.

This is exactly it. If a seller scammed you, or blatantly lied about the condition of a card, etc., etc., the buyer was basically powerless to do anything about it or warn other users about the seller. If you left negative feedback when the situation dictated it, you would only be hurting yourself, because the retaliatory negative feedback would inevitably come your way.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

This is exactly it. If a seller scammed you, or blatantly lied about the condition of a card, etc., etc., the buyer was basically powerless to do anything about it or warn other users about the seller. If you left negative feedback when the situation dictated it, you would only be hurting yourself, because the retaliatory negative feedback would inevitably come your way.

Very simply allow the feedback - allow a response and not count it toward the feedback rating %

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Very simply allow the feedback - allow a response and not count it toward the feedback rating %

But it would still show in their feedback. I think some buyers would still be afraid of retaliatory feedback. Nothing should stop buyers from leaving honest feedback, positive or negative.