Authentic or Fake? You be the judge

[packs]

Each of those Matty sigs seemed to be signed by the same person with the same pen.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by packs

Each of those Matty sigs seemed to be signed by the same person with the same pen.

And? its called a private signing w Matty . The man was an icon, Im sure he did shows and private signings.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Could Frank's supplier(s) and CC's supplier(s) be the same people?
Frank name the names of the stores (you told us that you have bought them from stores) where you bought these items.
You can be the guy who breaks this whole thing open.

I'd have to agree... we'd all like to see this B.S. gone from the hobby and I'm sure you would too? Me thinks it is probably the same group supplying CC. Come on Frank....Sing like a canary so us lowly collectors can have some more insight on the NON STOP forgeries that never seem to go away. You can help stop it Frank if you have the gumption to stay in business and fight these fraudsters. It couldn't hurt with the beating your rep is taking. It seems that Ace is Now Moral Less and STAT (TTA) like, certing everything they see.

Be the point man Frank...tell everyone who the supplier is of this material and it will get us 1 step closer to stopping CC.

[David Atkatz]

Whadda ya mean "fight these fraudsters"? He's one of 'em.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Another beauty authenticated by Priddy (ACE). This crap is listed on a auction site that will remain nameless. They list a lot of ACE authenticated junk.

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[Mr. Zipper]

"News" is when you see a Priddy COA on an authentic item. Over at Autograph News Live, we found one or two... so at least Priddy is not batting .000.

Blind squirrel... stopped clock... etc.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Whadda ya mean "fight these fraudsters"? He's one of 'em.

let's see where these shinnanagins takes him.... before I throw the crook under the bus

Come on Frankie P. who is the supplier of these forgeries? Being such a seasoned dealer, you must have suspected these were fakes, but decided to sell them anyway. Otherwise, why wouldn't you blow up the source so we all can learn? Because you are involved in this forgery ring?

I respect Davids opinion, so perhaps we did find one of the sources of all these ridiculous forgeries afterall. You. Silence is not golden in this respect and it chaps Fudd's Fat Fanny.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Nice find Chris,,, I think I know who actually signed that sheet.

Richard:

In the past you've made some allusions to possibly knowing the source of some of the forgeries and it seems as if some others here are in the know as well (a reference to Florida, if I recall correctly).

I understand why you wouldn't publicly name names based on suspicion only.

Just curious... would the suspect(s) be names we'd recognize?

[slidekellyslide]

Why the sudden silence Frank? You've checked in on this thread at least twice in the last two days, but haven't answered any of the questions posed to you. It's hard to take you seriously about your concern with fraud in the autograph industry now that you've gone silent.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why the sudden silence Frank? You've checked in on this thread at least twice in the last two days, but haven't answered any of the questions posed to you. It's hard to take you seriously about your concern with fraud in the autograph industry now that you've gone silent.

It's interesting, too, that Frank writing that he has 25 years collecting experience, that he didn't raise an eyebrow when offered a total of 13 (17 if you want to count the that he claimed he already sold) Matty cut sigs and over 40 Babe Ruth cut sigs, and he sure didn't blink an eye when shelling out the cash to pay for those cut sigs.

[David Atkatz]

Don't be so sure he shelled out any cash.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Don't be so sure he shelled out any cash.

Hmmmm.

Consignment?

[David Atkatz]

That, or partner.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Hmmmm.

Consignment?

No, confakement

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

No, confakement

Chuck, my buddy, you always make me laugh....

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Richard:

In the past you've made some allusions to possibly knowing the source of some of the forgeries and it seems as if some others here are in the know as well (a reference to Florida, if I recall correctly).

I understand why you wouldn't publicly name names based on suspicion only.

Just curious... would the suspect(s) be names we'd recognize?

In this particular instance, probably not.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Presently on Coach's Corner Auctions (Sept. 2011 Auction). Six (6) Derek Jeter autographed baseballs authenticated by Mr. Priddy (ACE). Poor forgeries.

There are presently over 100 listings on the Roach's Corner auction site that are ACE certified. Over 80% of those auction listing do not include a photograph. Think about that.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=283371

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[thetruthisoutthere]

Authenticated by Justin Priddy (ACE) and Mike Baker. Interesting check with Babe Ruth's signature GH Ruth on the back.

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[David Atkatz]

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

Absolutely. 100% forgery.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

It's small, but it appears the ink is feathered on the front as well. Look at the 5 in 45 of the year.

Could this be a case of someone finding an old unused checkbook and faking everything, including the bank marks and holes?

[David Atkatz]

After my posting, I looked at the photo more closely, and changed my mind.
There is some feathering on the front, and I believe you're right, Steve. It's likely that the whole thing is a contemporary creation using an old blank check.

[Big Dave]

"See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years. A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless."

Looks like the same thing happened here.

[David Atkatz]

That's because it's a ticket stub--made of cheap, porous cardboard. Ink doesn't feather on writing paper unless the paper is old.

[GrayGhost]

These last few post have really taught me about "feathered ink". Very enlightening. Thanks for the knowledge all.

[steve B]

Yes, interesting. I'd never heard the feathering thing before.

If anyone's curious, the bank became Chase Manhattan in 55, and Chase still has a branch at that address.

Steve B

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

I have never purchased or in any way ever been associated with CC

Why would you, it'd be like Walmart purchasing from Target.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Frank, have you heard back from JSA on that Babe Ruth signed note?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Frank, have you heard back from JSA on that Babe Ruth signed note?

You'll have to wait to ask him...he's set up at the East Coast National.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

You'll have to wait to ask him...he's set up at the East Coast National.

I wonder if Justin Priddy will be there, too. If ACE (Justin Priddy) is there, then Frank can have his face-to-face with Justin.

[David Atkatz]

There's no "face-to-face." They're both in on it.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

There's no "face-to-face." They're both in on it.

I was actually being sarcastic, David.

[David Atkatz]

Flew over my head.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Flew over my head.

Happens to me all of the time.

[ss]

I noticed today that Huggins & Scott has 4 items (at least) in their upcoming auction that are authenticated by Justin Priddy, including Cy Young, Hornsby, Speaker, Wagner cuts. H&S are very good people who clearly do not know what they are about to do their reputation.

[Exhibitman]

Having read this thread through I feel as though I need to find the nearest fire hydrant, uncork it, stick my head in the stream, and blast away the sleaze. What a business...

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ss

I noticed today that Huggins & Scott has 4 items (at least) in their upcoming auction that are authenticated by Justin Priddy, including Cy Young, Hornsby, Speaker, Wagner cuts. H&S are very good people who clearly do not know what they are about to do their reputation.

I sent them an email pointing them to the threads over here about ACE.

[hugginsandscott]

Dan,
thanks so much. We have pulled all of the ACE authenticated items and returned them.

Josh Wulkan
Vice President
Huggins and Scott Auctions
www.hugginsandscott.com

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by hugginsandscott

Dan,
thanks so much. We have pulled all of the ACE authenticated items and returned them.

Josh Wulkan
Vice President
Huggins and Scott Auctions
www.hugginsandscott.com

And that's why Huggins & Scott is one of the best!

[mr2686]

And that's why Huggins & Scott is one of the best!

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