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Old 07-27-2020, 02:38 PM
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I really wanted to keep this more like a survey instead of a discussion, but you bring up another interesting point. Once restaurants and other businesses fully reopen, how would they know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't? In other words, if they wanted refuse service to those that haven't been vaccinated, how would they do that? As far as I know, you can't legally ask that question. Anybody could lie and say they had when they hadn't.
They wont, but im sure they will put out a sign saying 'dine at your own risk'

There may be laws against suing restaurants in which you can prove you were infected that could apply but thats going to be by political lines


What about schools, i guess you will want to home school kids if they arent vaccinated...that debate will rage on in many areas and will go on for years.

If its a religious belief not to have vaccinations does the whole school now have to cater to that even though costs would be through the roof and there will be even more numbers saying risk to youth very low....

will go on and on........ its going to be the new normal....players out with covid the new normal as well..
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:41 PM
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I've never had a flu shot in my life, I'm not starting now. No.
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:44 PM
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I've never had a flu shot in my life, I'm not starting now. No.
right so you will be at risk anytime you go out for the next 3 years at least.....not taking any position, there will be millions just like you.......is what it is.. the new normal...
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:16 PM
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They wont, but im sure they will put out a sign saying 'dine at your own risk'

There may be laws against suing restaurants in which you can prove you were infected that could apply but thats going to be by political lines

What about schools, i guess you will want to home school kids if they arent vaccinated...that debate will rage on in many areas and will go on for years.
If the GOP can get it through by trading something with the Democrats, there will be a zero liability clause for businesses...I heard up to 5 years. Businesses would probably still put out dine at own risk placards, but they would feel much safer about it.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:31 PM
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Not trying to dodge the question, but for me I want to see particulars about any vaccine before I make a decision. The expected efficacy level and challenge stage safety results will have to be made available.

I have no built in bias against one. Get the flu shot each year even though it's a crap shoot on an individual basis, and received all the standard immunizations that any post WWII child was given.

I'll take it if persuaded it's effective (even if only at a public health level), and most of all safe.

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Old 07-27-2020, 04:12 PM
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Not immediately, I will wait a reasonable time, look at the available data, and weigh if it is effective or not and the risks of a probably rushed vaccine, but I would plan on probably getting it.

The death rate is incredibly low, the data suggests that it really does have a death rate under 1% and probably similar to the seasonal flu after all, though it is more contagious, and this thing has been blown way, way out of proportion (I wonder why? hmmm) as the media pretends the Black Plague 2.0 is here.

However, it is still preferable and beneficial to your health to protect against highly-infectious diseases, even if the survival rate is 99.6-99.8% percent. I have pre-existing conditions that make it more likely to be lethal in my case, and so have greater incentive to do so myself.

More importantly, freedom = the right to make your own decisions. That includes poor decisions.
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Not immediately, I will wait a reasonable time, look at the available data, and weigh if it is effective or not and the risks of a probably rushed vaccine, but I would plan on probably getting it.

The death rate is incredibly low, the data suggests that it really does have a death rate under 1% and probably similar to the seasonal flu after all, though it is more contagious, and this thing has been blown way, way out of proportion (I wonder why? hmmm) as the media pretends the Black Plague 2.0 is here.

However, it is still preferable and beneficial to your health to protect against highly-infectious diseases, even if the survival rate is 99.6-99.8% percent. I have pre-existing conditions that make it more likely to be lethal in my case, and so have greater incentive to do so myself.

More importantly, freedom = the right to make your own decisions. That includes poor decisions.
should ban smoking too......or how about soda...

people keep forgetting about the health damage that is occurring when we stay at home and economy gone as well....
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Old 07-27-2020, 06:04 PM
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should ban smoking too......or how about soda...

people keep forgetting about the health damage that is occurring when we stay at home and economy gone as well....
I don't smoke or drink soda, precisely it is terrible for my health to do so. I am not in favor of banning anything or regulating anything here, so I'm not sure what you are objecting too.
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I see a lot of people saying (not in this thread) that they are waiting for a vaccine, yet I wonder how many of those people actually understand how ineffectual flu vaccines are in general. Do they expect THIS vaccine to be any more effective? I would wager dollars to donuts that in many people's minds they equate a vaccine to a cure.

That said, I get a flu vaccine every year and would likely get this one myself. For my wife's sake, not mine. If it were JUST me, I probably wouldn't get either.
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Old 07-28-2020, 07:16 AM
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I don't smoke or drink soda, precisely it is terrible for my health to do so. I am not in favor of banning anything or regulating anything here, so I'm not sure what you are objecting too.
not objecting to anything, just saying its a free country..
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:03 PM
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That's my thinking as well. With nothing existing, it's just way too early to tell.


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Not trying to dodge the question, but for me I want to see particulars about any vaccine before I make a decision. The expected efficacy level and challenge stage safety results will have to be made available.

I have no built in bias against one. Get the flu shot each year even though it's a crap shoot on an individual basis, and received all the standard immunizations that any post WWII child was given.

I'll take it if persuaded it's effective (even if only at a public health level), and most of all safe.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:34 PM
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Hell yes. Vaccinations can only produce herd immunity if enough people get them. If you don't without a really good reason, you're just sabotaging an urgently needed public health measure and guaranteeing that this stupid pandemic and economic chaos will drag on and on.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:42 PM
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I am getting older, overweight, and have diabetes. BLEEP yes I am getting it when it is ready.

If I was younger and healthy I would not get vaccinated and roll the dice.

I honestly have not followed this much. Can you get it more than once or do they not really know yet? If it is a one and done I would first get the test to see if I have had it already.
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Old 07-27-2020, 10:31 PM
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Yes, no question. My late mother was a nurse, my brother is a retired MD so if he's OK with the vaccine data I'm in.
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Old 07-28-2020, 06:16 AM
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Definitely. I'm young (ish) and healthy, but there are lots of people who aren't. Regardless of what it does for me, I'll take it to help protect others.
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I Can you get it more than once or do they not really know yet? If it is a one and done I would first get the test to see if I have had it already.
Yes, most doctors think you can get it more than once. Some evidence shows antibodies disappearing after 1 month in some individuals.

On a side note, I received a full round of hepatitis b vaccine before I moved to Thailand. About 5 years ago my doctor did blood work and said I had no evidence in antibodies that I ever received it, so I had to get it again.... Some doctors are worried the covid vaccine will be the same problem. It will wear off and be needed in annual doses.

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I don't know anything about the polio vaccine or how it works or what the risks are with getting one, but I still got it and I don't have polio. I don't know anyone with polio either.

I will get the vaccine no questions asked when it is available.

Edited to add: if it was a seasonal shot I had to get regularly I would get that too.

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