Question regarding cards from the Lionel Carter collection

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Posted By: Brandon Brown

Just wondering what everyones' thoughts were regarding the "typical" amount of premium that most of you find acceptable to pay on a nice example, be it T206 or other similar cards that have come up for sale? Is it really worth the extra expense to you guys to add a piece of his collection to yours, or is it just "sentimental" value? Thanks as always!

Brandon

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

For me the most important thing would be that for the cards he personally pulled from packs, I can be confident nothing was done to them. And for that piece of mind, I would be willing to pay a premium.

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Posted By: Anonymous

To me a card is a card and it doesn't add any value that Mr. Carter or anyone else may have owned it.

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Posted By: jay wolt

Peter as a collector of Lionel Carter owned cards, I have paid premiums to
obtain issues I can use. As a collector extraordinaire, Mr Carter, not me.
I enjoy owning cards that he once collected.
I'm up to 25 different sets now, kind of a retrospective of the hobby that
he once owned.
I also collect Frank Nagy and have pedigreed cards that Casey Stengel
& Whitey Ford once collected. To me its another way to enjoy the hobby.

Brandon, hello again, we eMailed about another topic an hour ago.
Some Carter issues are in more quantity then others like 1933 Goudey's
and T206's, while some like T205's I've never seen any come up.

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Posted By: Michael Steele

I know there has been threads about collector pedigree's before and there are always going to be differences in opinion. To some, a card is just a card and that is fine.

I do place a bit of a premium on cards from Mr. Carter's collection. I do own a couple and I am thrilled to own them because to me, Mr. Carter was a true collector who truly loved the hobby. I mean, Sunday night was reserved for card mounting, if that is not love for the hobby then I do not know what is!

It is an honor for me to know that cards that were once sitting in his mounted pages/albums are now in my collection. That is worth something to me.

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Posted By: barry arnold

Carter provenance means a great deal to me and have paid double for some
commons which were absolutely gorgeous.
still, i do say to each his own.

best,

barry

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Posted By: chiprop

I wouldn't pay a premium for any past collectors name on a flip.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I would pay a small premium for Lionel Carter cards. I think it's nice to have a few in my collection. I have a 33 Goudey and am looking to get a T206 Jacklitsch some day.

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Posted By: jdrum

To each their own, no added value for me. Hence, I would not pay extra for the pedigree but can certainly understand the other viewpoint.

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Posted By: jay wolt

To the ones that wouldn't collect a card of provenance
from hobby icons like Carter, Nagy or Barker.
Would you collect cards that were collected by the
players themselves?
One member posted a T206 Walter Johnson that Johnson had.
And a few Whitey Fords were put on the market when all his
memorabilia was auctioned in NYC the day of the All Star Game.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Why didn't Ford's cards receive a numerical grade?

Whitey wasn't a card doctor, was he?

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Posted By: PC

I wouldn't pay a premium for Carter or Nagy or Harris, etc.. Similarly, I wouldn't pay a premium for the collector-name stamped T206s that some pursue. But I can understand the appeal.

However, because he's famous, I might pay a little more for one of F. Scott Fitgerald's "F" stamped T206s.

And for the same reson, I think it would be great to have one of Whitey's Fords. Might pay a little more for those too.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...for a T206 card previously owned by Bowie Kuhn. I agree, it is an interesting way to collect cards.



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Posted By: jay wolt

Barry not sure why all the Ford's have the Aurh grade.
Then again on the Casey Stengel card I have, its an auth too!

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I might pay a slight premium for a Carter card...but I'd definitely pay a premium for a card collected by a player. Paul's Kuhn card -- definitely as well. So bizarre to think of Kuhn as a card collector, I'm not sure why.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

I have seen T206 Commons graded SGC 20 go for close to twice as much as I would typically see. I know I have not been successful trying to win one because I have been bidding what I normally would bid for a common SGC 20 and have come up way short every time.

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Posted By: jdrum

To answer your question, no. But that's just me. It doesn't make it any different to me than the same card in the same grade collected by anybody else. It makes for neat conversation but I do not see enhanced value. Toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe!

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Posted By: Brandon Brown

I havent decided which group I belong to yet: The one that is Pro-collector-collected cards, or the opposition. I suppose its nice to have that added bit of history as part of a collection, but at the same time, with the prices that some equally graded examples are reaching (of the standard graded variety, it may not be of too much concern for a collector of my stature, that being a relitively "recreational" collector. Thanks for all the input and opinions!

Brandon

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Posted By: Bob

I have purchased "Frank Nagy" cards but it was because I liked the card not because of the pedigree. On the other hand, I have become such a Lionel Carter fan after seeing he and his wife on Doug Allen's Mastro DVD that I have paid a premium for his ex-cards. I was able to snag some very tough Tattoo Orbits (Alexander etc.) from his collection and although they aren't mint like some of his later cards, they are beautiful.

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Posted By: Rich Klein

That pedigreed cards will be at a premium because of the history of the hobby. We're still maturing as a hobby/business and as such, the notation of pedigree is not quite the same as it is in the coin buisness.

Although some people may not or may not have agreed with the naming of the owners of the Wagners listed in the recent auction at the National; there is now little doubt that those better cards with the pedigree is actually quite important for the future and in that sense, the history of the better examples served some good. Those cards, along with the one sold to John Rogers, now all have pedigrees for the future and the short, medium and long-term values of those cards I think are now better than they were before the auction.

Regards
Rich

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Posted By: david Poses

Sorry to change the topic, but was the F. Scott Fitzgerald stamped T206 cards a joke or was that real? if real, can anyone post a scan?

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

I have a feeling a Lionel Carter/F. Scott Fitzgerald will show up there pretty soon.