Hey, pennant guys

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Since it's Super Bowl Sunday and all...

Watching this badly faded, early 1970s (not 1960s as described) Raiders pennant eclipse $2,000 got me to thinking. What is the early 1970s baseball equivalent? If there is one, I've never seen it. I'm not sure I've seen a 1970s baseball pennant sell for more than $200-$300...if that.

Then I got to thinking...If we listed the 10 most valuable pennants of the first half of the 20th century, they'd all be baseball. No surprise there. But what if we listed the 10 most valuable pennants of the second half of the 20th century. Would they all be football? The rise in popularity of football is attributed to the 1950s and often to the "Greatest Game Ever Played", but has anyone ever noticed that's where the pennant value tipping point occurs too?

What are the baseball pennants post say 1956 that approach $2000 in value? The only that come to mind would be the 3D pennants but are those post 1956? Below are the early bookends to big money football pennants with the Raiders above likely the modern one. I know there are multiple factors that play into this but it's still very interesting to me that if you're talking big money pennants of the last 70 years, you're largely talking about football pennants.

For post war baseball pennants there's a number that would sell for over $1,000. The Mickey Mantle ASCO Photo Pennant comes to mind and the 1955 World Series tassel pennants, 1972 Clemente Memorial, Willie Mays, etc.

The selection grows a lot in the $500+ range, depending on the condition of course. Not all pennants are as bright as that 1970s Oakland Raiders penannt But a number of the ASG and World Series pennants would cross the $500 threshold and possibly the Koufax ASCO photo pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Here's what $8.33 pennant postage gets you. Folded four times Just stellar.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Here's what $8.33 pennant postage gets you. Folded four times Just stellar.

Ouch! Isn't it routine to have a dialog about packing method with pennants, though?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Ouch! Isn't it routine to have a dialog about packing method with pennants, though?

I guess for $8.33, I figured I’d get a box!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I guess for $8.33, I figured I’d get a box!

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Here's what $8.33 pennant postage gets you. Folded four times Just stellar.

That's unacceptable.

[UKCardGuy]

Oooh...charging high postage and using a cheap option....that's one of my pet peaves.

As an example, I try to avoid using ebay standard envelope for cards because I've had unreliable delivery with that service. The number of times that a listing shows USPS Ground Advantage and charges postage commensurate with that but I end up getting an ebay standard envelope service. Arghhhhhhh

Was your pennant OK after ironing?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

That's unacceptable.

Not patting myself on the back, but almost as soon as I started collecting pennants decades ago I made sure to communicate with sellers as to how they were going to be shipped, and get them to change it if I wasn't satisfied with their method. Hard to believe the uber-advanced pennants guys on this thread wouldn't be doing the same.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Was your pennant OK after ironing?

It was fine. No positive feedback for the seller, though. Besides the shoddy packaging, it took him like 10 days to even get it in the mail.

[MilkDudsMan]

Any help? Looking for a 1953 Necco Wafers New York Yankees 5.5"in pennant to complete the rare 16 team set with ad. I also have an extra NY Giants (blue/white) for trade. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
-Pat

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by MilkDudsMan

Any help? Looking for a 1953 Necco Wafers New York Yankees 5.5"in pennant to complete the rare 16 team set with ad. I also have an extra NY Giants (blue/white) for trade. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
-Pat

Just fill out the form and mail in your quarter!

[thetahat]

Got this for no other reason than it is beautiful. Trench at its best. Whereas halfback #12 played for virtually every team in the 1950s, I don’t recall seeing this graphic before.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Got this for no other reason than it is beautiful. Trench at its best. Whereas halfback #12 played for virtually every team in the 1950s, I don’t recall seeing this graphic before.

Gorgeous and cool!

[bocca001]

Reminds me of this pennant, which has similar font and style. This is also a less common design. There is a Stanford version and maybe a Shrine game?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Reminds me of this pennant, which has similar font and style. This is also a less common design. There is a Stanford version and maybe a Shrine game?

Yes the Santa Clara is late 40s/early 50s Trench. The font is unmistakeable. No 3D lettering until later. The felt is typically pretty thick. This seems to be the first Trench “series”, I am missing just the Tigers and Boston Braves.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Got this for no other reason than it is beautiful. Trench at its best. Whereas halfback #12 played for virtually every team in the 1950s, I don’t recall seeing this graphic before.

Really nice, Greg! Love the colors and graphics.

[bocca001]

Finally crossed this tough one off my list, with advice from Rob and Rob about what to do and what to not do, I went ahead and cleaned it. It was even more browned/yellowed in person than my original iphone picture made it look. I put it face down on some towels and sprayed with with a solution of maybe 25% bleach and 75% water. I blocked off the spine with some plastic. That left a bit of yellowing near the spine. I then used a small paint brush to apply some of the bleach/water mixture up near the spine. It did not come quite as clean as ones that can take a more concentrated bleach spray, but the red on this one is so ready to run. When I was using the brush to touch up on the front, I got just a bit of the solution in the red paint and it ran immediately. So spraying from the back is the way to go if you ever want to try this yourself on a pennant with red graphics.

[Fballguy]

Nice job Mark...Looks great. With those 60s red graphics, the top layer of paint is just dying to (no pun intended) slough off so they should always be hit from the back...on towels to absorb any excess bleed thru.

The good news is it does wash away nicely as long as you rinse it immediately...and the bleeding stops once that layer if off.

[ooo-ribay]

Yeah, great job, Marc. The red makes the process scary. The blue tassels on that pennant always seem to be badly faded.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Yeah, great job, Marc. The red makes the process scary. The blue tassels on that pennant always seem to be badly faded.

Those could easily be dyed. Much easier than the bleaching process.

[Jgwrestlng8]

Wanted to add one of our favorites

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Jgwrestlng8

Wanted to add one of our favorites

That’s great. Purple? Brown? Either way, the green tassels are crazy.

1911-17. Can’t be many of those around.

[Jgwrestlng8]

Purple!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Jgwrestlng8

Wanted to add one of our favorites

Awesome! I’d love to know the story behind the O-U-E ….

[thetahat]

Two more minor leagues … the KC Blues is a full-size BF3, these are rare for majors, and I don’t know if I’ve ever seen another from the IL or AA or PCL. But I have seen the tiny ones. I think there’s a full-size BF3 collector who lurks around here … does anyone have or know of any other minor league versions?

[Domer05]

Been looking for this 1965 WS champions pennant by Trench, for ages. Paid a bit more than I would've liked, but the condition was too good to pass up.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Been looking for this 1965 WS champions pennant by Trench, for ages. Paid a bit more than I would've liked, but the condition was too good to pass up.

Simple and beautiful pennant, Kyle. Next to the Tigers, the Dodgers seem to have the most stadium variations. Two different cartoon batters and the very tough little guy with wings.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Awesome! I’d love to know the story behind the O-U-E ….

I think it may have been derived from the Hassan cigarette “Oh, you _____” pins of the same era. Oh, you Electrics.

[seattlerainiers]

The PCL Sacramento franchise were the Wolves for one year, 1914, named after their manager Harry Wolverton.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

The PCL Sacramento franchise were the Wolves for one year, 1914, named after their manager Harry Wolverton.

That is absolutely stunning!

[bocca001]

Can't believe that survived in such nice shape!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

The PCL Sacramento franchise were the Wolves for one year, 1914, named after their manager Harry Wolverton.

Incredible. One of the nicest pennants I’ve ever seen.

[seattlerainiers]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Incredible. One of the nicest pennants I’ve ever seen.

Thanks guys!

One of my fave teens PCL items. 35".

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

Thanks guys!

One of my fave teens PCL items. 35".

What a stunner... Rarity and beauty combined. Love the artwork!

[seattlerainiers]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s great. Purple? Brown? Either way, the green tassels are crazy.

1911-17. Can’t be many of those around.

That GF Electrics pennant is amazing. Wow!

Here are a few mini-pennants from the Pioneer League, a later relative of the Union Association that included the Great Falls franchise.

• 1940s-50s Twin Falls Cowboys
• 1950s Boise Braves

...and for good measure

• 1950s PCL Hollywood Stars

[effe]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think it may have been derived from the Hassan cigarette “Oh, you _____” pins of the same era. Oh, you Electrics.

I think the "Oh you" originated from this song

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh,_You_Beautiful_Doll

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by effe

I think the "Oh you" originated from this song

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh,_You_Beautiful_Doll

Whoa! With those lyrics, it must have had the “parental advisory” label.

[jwalletmd]

I have these two “mini” pennants that I’m selling but actually don’t know much about them….anybody have information?

[matty39]

Things have been pretty quiet. Here is my bf2 premium set. Sorry, for some reason, I cannot get my second file to upload. Huggins, McGraw and Donovan are below.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by matty39

Things have been pretty quiet. Here is my bf2 premium set. Sorry, for some reason, I cannot get my second file to upload. Huggins, McGraw and Donovan are below.

Wow, that is an amazing display!

[bocca001]

Matty39 has one of the rooms I'd most like to visit if I had the chance. Looks great.

None of my recent pickups can quite compare. They are all uncommon to rare variations, and I'm glad to get them even though two have some damage. The 49ers is, for some reason, much, much, much more common in orange than in the actual 49ers color of red. I missed on this (simply forgot to bid) a few years ago and have been haunted by the memory, so am glad to get it now.

The Astros is the 1969 cloth version, which we've discussed on here before. This is the first time I have seen one for sale. And the Houston Colt's was the right price (after I got the seller to remove the ebay generated default $117 shipping price for pennants). I will replace the spine on this one (with a vintage Trench spine) so it displays better on my wall. I know there are mixed views on doing that, but it's just for me and I think it's just too much bug damage to look at.

[Domer05]

Get'em while they're hot....

Two versions. For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Get'em while they're hot....

Two versions. For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

Very nice, Kyle! I sent you an email yesterday because I didn’t see your “Get In Touch” link until just now. I have some buddies who are diehard Iggles fans.

[vintagesportscollector]

Is anyone familiar with Ken Poulsen Associates and the “Big Sport” rugs? They appear to be from the ‘70s and were marketed as rugs or blankets or wall hanging banner or just a home den decorative. They were rather simple and crude, with a two or three color design, for Colleges, MLB and NFL. Appears they licensed some names and teams from College and maybe MLB, while others were close unlicensed references to a baseball or football team. They were woven, soft but heavy, and large 24 x 45. Just curious if Ken Poulsen made any other printed sports items? I can’t find much about them. Here is one from Pittsburgh.

[661fish]

In the past couple of months, I have purchased a couple pennants on Ebay, only to have the seller tell me that they listed it wrong. One seller admitted that someone reached out to them to let them know they way undersold it. It's pretty shitty. Rant over.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by 661fish

In the past couple of months, I have purchased a couple pennants on Ebay, only to have the seller tell me that they listed it wrong. One seller admitted that someone reached out to them to let them know they way undersold it. It's pretty shitty. Rant over.

It's become a dog eat dog hobby to some. Wear your scars proudly. You're sure to get more. Especially on eBay.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by matty39

Things have been pretty quiet. Here is my bf2 premium set. Sorry, for some reason, I cannot get my second file to upload. Huggins, McGraw and Donovan are below.

Absolutely incredible!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by 661fish

In the past couple of months, I have purchased a couple pennants on Ebay, only to have the seller tell me that they listed it wrong. One seller admitted that someone reached out to them to let them know they way undersold it. It's pretty shitty. Rant over.

Co-signed.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Get'em while they're hot....

Two versions. For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

These are awesome, Kyle! On a related note, the Eagles need to bring back the white helmets.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Is anyone familiar with Ken Poulsen Associates and the “Big Sport” rugs? They appear to be from the ‘70s and were marketed as rugs or blankets or wall hanging banner or just a home den decorative. They were rather simple and crude, with a two or three color design, for Colleges, MLB and NFL. Appears they licensed some names and teams from College and maybe MLB, while others were close unlicensed references to a baseball or football team. They were woven, soft but heavy, and large 24 x 45. Just curious if Ken Poulsen made any other printed sports items? I can’t find much about them. Here is one from Pittsburgh.

Joe, I've researched dozens of manufacturers responsible for sports novelty products from the past century, and I've never heard of Ken Poulsen Associates.

Or, these "Big Sport" rugs.

Interesting product. Cool artwork. Thanks for sharing! Love to see the others made for other teams!