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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Should Not Get In |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Steve Dawson
Same with Pedro Martinez! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Steve, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
pedro on steroids...cmon? Roger will get in...1st ballot regardless. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
pete in MN, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Cobby33
It seems to me that McGwire was 86'd because of his conduct at the Congressional committee hearing, not because of the juice allegations. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Bob
I think we are missing the boat here, HDH is still not tested for and that is the major drug being used, not steroids. Bud Selig can not retire soon enough for me... |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Cobby, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Darren
HGH - human growth hormone |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
peter...my perspective is from the public perception of mac, sosa, palmeiro, etc. These three and others have been caught or basically admitted guilt. While it is pretty obvious to me Clemens probably used something...as did many others...public perception in addition to the #'s is paramount! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: john/z28jd
Is anyone else surprised that Albert Belle gets no respect from the voters? They might not have liked him as a person but the guy had a 10 year stretch of hitting .300 with 1199 rbi's. If others with short career make it with lesser numbers why is he so under respected that no one notices he wont even be on the ballot next year? |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
apparently moral character/likeability DOES matter! Belle was a jerk...like Bonds...only Bonds's #'s are impossible to ignore...so he'll get in unless he's proven guilty of having cheated. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: DJ
I disagree. If we don't allow Clemens in, then we should simply close the Hall down and refuse to allow any more inductions. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Cobby33
Peter C: |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
dj and cobby...i agree!!! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Peter U, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: warshawlaw
If he'd come clean or denied it, one way or the other, I think he'd have been voted in. Weaseling around was the worst thing he could do. I still think he will make it next time around. This time was a protest vote and next year is a lousy class. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Adam, Pete in Mn, guys, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
peter...I think "character" is considered in hof voting. That said...Adam is right...if Big Mac admitted one way or the other most people would have some/more respect for him and he's be more likely to be voted in. No matter what stats Bonds ends up with...if he's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he's guilty...he may not ever get in. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: JimCrandell
Adam, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Brett
Steroid users should be banned from baseball. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Joe D.
Maybe Griffey Jr. should get some more respect today. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Pete in Mn, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter ullman
touche Pete...I'm just saying different times call for different standards and values and ideals change over time. That said...what is perceived as acceptable by society changes over time and thus standards for applicants of most institutions change as well. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Pete in Mn, guys, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: PC
Pete: given the inflated prices some are paying for the cardboard we collect, I'd venture that there is already quite a bit of gambling going on here. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Jay
Clemens has been the model ballplayer. There is no evidence that he has taken any drugs, ever. He just works harder than anyone else in baseball. He is argueably the greatest pitcher ever and we should enjoy what he does on the field instead of making up stories about what he has done off the field. Actually, if you want to talk about what he does off the field look up the Roger Clemens Foundation and see all the good he does. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Jason L
exactly right ! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: barrysloate
I say start throwing guys out with marginal stats who are already in- George Kell, Bill Mazeroski, et al. Just call up their families and tell them to come down and pick up their ancestor's plaques because we've reconsidered and we've yanked them off the wall. Then the Hall would be filled with only the truly great! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Okay Barry, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: barrysloate
I don't want to do it, he'll beat me up...let some big guy do it |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: davidcycleback
The honest players who didn't use drugs shouldn't blame the sports writers or suspicious fans. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: warshawlaw
I don't gamble, Jim. Personal reasons. But I think he will get in next year barring a revelation that sticks to him conclusively. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Chris Counts
I read an article today by HOF voter Gwen Knapp of the San Francisco Chronicle where she explains why she voted for ... (gasp!) ... Ken Caminiti! |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Chris, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Chris, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: John H.
"I agree with you but the ballplayers need to be informed." |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
John, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Noel
Pete, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Noel, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: davidcycleback
Literally correct evasiveness may not by lying but it isn't honesty. Moms who have quizzed |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Noel
Pete, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
David, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: peter chao
Noel, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: davidcycleback
Peter, |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: fkw
Clemens juiced? Might want to look at Mr. Ryan too?? Add Jim Rice, Ricky Henderson, Mike Schmidt, Lee Smith, Eddie Murray, Reggie Jackson, Garry Carter, Carlton Fisk, Steve Garvey, and a few others from the era too! The whole steroid thing should be dropped. It wasnt against the rules until 2003. The only HOF caliper player to break the rule is Palmeiro, period! And andro (McGwires magic stuff) was not illegal too. It was banned in the Olympics, NCAA, and football only.....not baseball. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Noel
I would certainly agree that Cobb was not a model for moral behavior in baseball but i dont think entering the Hall is based on that. Illegal and immoral behavior are completely different. If it was based on moral behavior you would have players like Dale Murphy and GlenAllen Hill leading up the first tier of HOFers. |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
A word about Congressional hearings... |
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O/T If McGwire Doesn't Go Into Hall then Clemens ...
Posted By: warshawlaw
we can't make Gehrig #1, Williams #2, etc. Gehrig has to be #4 and Williams has to be #9. Ruth can stay as #3. |
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