Why is this a PSA 9 (oc) ??

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, I didnt really examine the centering of the back vs the published PSA standards, etc, but after looking at many of these this card just seemed odd. I mean it is ever-so-slightly off center top to bottom on the front, but it's really at least a 9/10 for front centering.

I love how everyone just passes over my comment on measured centering and simply goes by the eye-test.
Did you measure the front? Zoom in and do it. I did. it is outside the range of a 9.

[swarmee]

Real question is: could it get a straight 8? It is right on the borderline if the 71/29 is accurate. At the time, the grader should have awarded an 8 if the centering met the requirements. Doesn't mean it couldn't get the bump on a review or crack/resubmit.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

No the grader shouldn't have given it an 8 if qualifiers weren't rejected. You always have the opportunity to ask for no qualifiers. If you fail to do so they are going to give the card the highest grade possible regardless of qualifier, and it's always been that way. Pretty simple to check "no qualifiers" in the old days you had to hand write it on your sheet next to every card!

[TanksAndSpartans]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

No the grader shouldn't have given it an 8 if qualifiers weren't rejected. You always have the opportunity to ask for no qualifiers. If you fail to do so they are going to give the card the highest grade possible regardless of qualifier, and it's always been that way. Pretty simple to check "no qualifiers" in the old days you had to hand write it on your sheet next to every card!

Scott, can you please clarify? Are you saying that it could have gotten an 8 if the submitter checked no qualifiers? A 9 OC is equivalent to a 7 in the registry, so with a checkmark, I would think the best non qualifier grade would be a 7 just to make the math work.

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

I love how everyone just passes over my comment on measured centering and simply goes by the eye-test.
Did you measure the front? Zoom in and do it. I did. it is outside the range of a 9.

If the OC designation was used every time a card had 71/29 centering, I think we'd observe a lot more cards on the market where eyeballing them they looked fine, but were graded with an OC qualifier. I look at new cards almost every day from my eBay search results and that's not what I observe. My guess would be the grader was a stickler on the back top/bottom centering which again, I don't see happen much but would be technically correct.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

John, there is no hard and fast rule. Yes typically an O/C card will drop two grades but not always. I have had some luck in getting 9OCs into 8 holders without cracking them. You have to be very picky about which ones you take obviously but the one in this thread would certainly stand a chance.

[TanksAndSpartans]

Thanks Scott. This is an interesting thread. If I had a grading company, I wouldn't use qualifiers. I'd have sub grades and use a weighted average of them to determine the final grade. I'd probably weight front centering the highest and back centering the lowest. Corners, etc. would be in between.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by TanksAndSpartans

Thanks Scott. This is an interesting thread. If I had a grading company, I wouldn't use qualifiers. I'd have sub grades and use a weighted average of them to determine the final grade. I'd probably weight front centering the highest and back centering the lowest. Corners, etc. would be in between.

Absolutely agree, John! Qualifiers are .... stupid. Give it a grade including all of its characteristics and move on.

Or, lets just make ever card a "10" and create qualifiers like: Rounded Corners (RC), Creases (CR), etc. LOL.

jeff