OT - Any comments on the autograph on this UD card

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Posted By: Richard Simon

Any comments on the autograph on this card?



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Posted By: Steve

it looks like crap?

Steve

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

that's u-g-l-y........looks like Carmina Mink.........Definitely not Mack. Unless it's his sister Carmella or something.......

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Looks like Camurira Mirik. Or perhaps Cammusa Muck.

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Posted By: William Heitman

That is not a Connie Mack autograph and I have seen lots of legit Macks.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

The first word is not Connie and it's debatable if the last word is Mack.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

HBO opened a whole new can of worms that I'd never even considered. While I don't collect that kind of stuff I had always assumed that the current card companies were having these autographs authenticated.....I guess I was wrong.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

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Posted By: Brett

yeah, i noticed that Mack sig before, and it doesn't look like his signature. unless he signed it in the last year or two of his life. the guy was like what 93 or 94 when he died ?

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Posted By: James Feagin

Did Connie Mack have a wife or children with similar names? It looks like "Carmina Mack".

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Posted By: Mike Campbell

I have collected hall of fame autographs for many years, I can assure you this is not real. The thing I find so amazing, is that the individual that created this mockery, couldn't even try and get close to Mack's real signature, which in and of it self, would not be that hard to forge. His signature was very straight forward, even into his 90's. Amazing what garbage lurks out there.

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Posted By: Scot

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Posted By: Mike Campbell

The Ruth sure looks good. Connie did sometimes use the traditional lower case e, or the rounded e. You can see the two variations, the one he signed, and the one on the card differ. Not an issue though. Signatures can vary so much, based on age, health, the writing surface, etc. etc. The Mack looks good. Studying signatures is an ongoing task. Even experts can be stumped sometimes. But they look good to me.

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Posted By: Rob L

which I bought several years ago with a bad COA. Live and learn!



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Posted By: Mike Campbell

Sorry to hear about that Rob. Very few Ruth's have a loop in middle of the the capital B. And the e in babe never touches the R in Ruth. Always seperated. That being said, it is a very good forgery, and most people would have been fooled. Nothing to be ashamed of. But it still ticks you off doesn't it? Me too.

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Posted By: t206King

isnt UD violating some rule , selling fakes? the Mack is extremely fake, and shouldnt they be in court right now for all these fake autographs, especially after the house HBO thing?

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Posted By: Mike Campbell

Sure they should, but who has the time and money to pursue UD ? Alot of individuals who do not deal in memorabilia, have very little sympathy for collectors. They still go by the mantra of "Buyer beware". Hence, who knows how the courts would rule. But yes, someone should come out and publically lambast them for selling garbage like that. It undermines the entire autograph collecting hobby. I know this is OT, but I felt it important to state my opinion.

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Posted By: Mike Campbell

That's a nice Mack. Crisp and clean. No problem there. Amazingly, his signature remained fairly constant over his life time.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I'm not an autograph expert, but my impression is that the UD signature is not a forgery. Rather my guess is that it came from a person signing her/his real name, but her/his real name wasn't Connie Mack. The spelling appears so off on this signature, that I don't think someone was forging Mack's name. I'll bet even Shoeless Joe Jackson would know better than to spell Connie with two a's.

Perhaps this signature came from a Connie-related document where one of Connie's family signed. Or perhaps it came from a multi-signed scorecard and, amongst a sea of Mel Otts and Cookie Lavagettos, someone thought this most closely resemebled Connie Mack.

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Posted By: James Feagin

Does anyone think that possibly that could be an authentic, but extremely tortured version of "Cornelius Mack" aka Connie Mack?

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Posted By: Rob L

the last name is Mack? It doesn't even look like that is correct.

Rob L

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I looked for a Mack auto for a long time before I finally bought one. This doesn't even resemble the form of cursive that Mack used, let alone his handwriting.

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Posted By: Brett

That Connie Mack "signature" is pathetic. how can UD buy such crap ??

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Posted By: Rob L

the forged Ruth. I did a bit of research before I purchased this. It is a receipt and the seller had a plausible story. They also had a COA from Everything Baseball.

I compared this signature with many examples from different catalogs, looking at the slant of the letters and letter formation. I did observe the loop in the B and e-R portion of the signature, however, these are not uncommon as I found at least 10 signatures in the Halper collection with the loop and 3 or 4 with the "e" touching the R. I think the perfect straight line through the "t" may be part of the issue.

Like I said earlier, I lived and learned on this.

Rob L

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Posted By: Richard Simon

Makes you kind of wonder about how this can happen, doesn't it?
Was anyone with even the slightest bit of autograph knowledge doing the buying of these autographs?
I think not.

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Posted By: Richard Simon

Check out this blog, The Brill Report:

http://www.kckings.com/hobbynewsandfun.php

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No retreat baby, no surrender.
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