PSA vs. SGC

[mrvster]

Pete

this one is for you!

who do you prefer??? is one better than the other??? too many mistakes??

speak your mind, Lord knows I have


as Joan Jett would say " Fire away "

a topic probably discussed at excessively , but it's a necessary evil

[Peter_Spaeth]

Johnny, you're going to get "Adrianed" if you keep starting threads lol.

[mrvster]

hahaha!

I was just thinking the same thing! hahaha


feast or famine with me


making up for lost time

I STILL CAN'T SEE WHY PSA COMMANDS SO MUCH OF A PREMUIM...

they both suck just as much


JOHN VANDERBECK

PSA OR SGC

contact me and I will tell you why


or read this thread!

[glynparson]

PSA especially cards graded in the last couple
Years.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by glynparson

PSA especially cards graded in the last couple
Years.

+1, especially after SGC's snafu at the National this year, delegating intake work to customers by computer with insufficient terminals to do it efficiently. One had a choice of either going through the show and searching for rare items sought expeditiously, or standing in line for what looked to be possibly hours while customers/dealers monopolized the three intake computers with several hundred cards each. IMHO, not a good move from a customer relations standpoint. Unless it's an item I really, really want and am not likely to see again soon, I skip SGC entirely now.

PSA also had by far the sturdier holders--has that changed since SGC went to their newer ones?

Just my two cents, based on being a sole practitioner, running my own law practice for more than 21 years,

Larry

[mrvster]

Wow! didn't know about the sgc damaging the bottom of the card

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Wow! didn't know about the sgc damaging the bottom of the card

It is not just the bottom it is all 4 sides. Some of the gaskets look like a lefty was using a pair of dull right handed scissors to cut them.

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Wow! didn't know about the sgc damaging the bottom of the card

It's not the SGC gasket completely, it's the amount of movement the thinner T206 ect cards have. The Goudey, Topps and Bowman stay in place so I've never found any damage on them.

iwantitiwinit had a good idea:

Bottom line for me is SGC holders with that gasket sux. I love the black background but the cut out is terrible for securing cards. Here's a suggestion SGC keep the black gasket but insert a plastic ridge on one piece of the holder like PSA, you do that and I would bet submissions would increase. In general I think many collectors like that black background.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Johnny, you're going to get "Adrianed" if you keep starting threads lol.

+1

[garymc]

Sorry, if you if you find this harsh.....my opinion of the grading company's !

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[bobbyw8469]

as Joan Jett would say " Fire away "

That would actually be Pat Benatar who says that.

[jchcollins]

PSA is the market leader because they were smarter with their promotions in the early days. The idea of a set registry was genuis. Say what you will about the Gretzky Wagner gaffe, but it put them on the map - and there they have stayed. In recent years, PSA has become a lot tougher on vintage - my guess just as a ploy to set themselves apart from the others. You would think this goes against their credibility- one reason to have a card graded by someone who is an "expert" on the standards is that those standards should not change from 1998 to 2018, but alas - it hasn't really worked out that way. At the end of the day a high grade from PSA on a tough vintage or condition sensitive modern card is still the mark of pride that most high-profile collectors are after. Their problems aside, PSA has been able to maintain that distinction.

I have no problems with SGC and honestly think that from a collector's perspective they are probably the more fair grader overall. Beckett is more or less garbage for vintage. They are more popular with collectors of modern cards, but that's not a space I play in often.

[Millerd33]

I'm going SGC all the way. They are much more consistent with their grading and their customer service is top of the line.

Currently PSA cards sell for more but I don't look to sell them so i'll take the cheaper fee and must more attractive holder all day. When they finally roll out this registry with images I may even enter a few of our cards into it.

[bnorth]

My 2 cents that probably isn't worth 1 cent.

PSA is a marketing genius and are constantly doing things to make them more attractive to the sellers. Now their actual product is complete garbage IMHO.

SGC until the recent changes seemed like a bunch of stoners that are happy with their product. They just didn't seem like they wanted to expand because that would mean more work. I love how cards look in their slabs and I believe they do the best job of grading cards by far.

I use both. PSA for resale and SGC for my personal collection.

[christopher.herman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Johnny, you're going to get "Adrianed" if you keep starting threads lol.

Wow. Adrian. That was an entertaining saga.

[samosa4u]

When I got back into the hobby as a teenager (15+ years ago), to me, SGC and PSA were pretty much on the same level. However, since then, PSA graded cards have taken off like a rocket.

[Buster#1]

Does anyone have an idea on what the future of 1933 Indian gum cards and 1933 sports kings have in the card collecting hobby
I have many many in both collections in sgc 88 and psa 8


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[Buster#1]

I happen to think the Indian cards are extremely interesting
In 1933 goudey made Indian cards without the technology of today far more beautiful and interesting than any card made since then
I really like the sports kings because they are multi sports and are just really cool...
Billiards, track, boxing, sledding, etc...
Very interesting...i enjoy history; hence, these cards are extremely important and, indeed, fun to own.
More fun to own a Geronimo 1933 w the history on back of card than say a average joe 1933 baseball card.
Those Indian cards are real historical folks that were amazing.
And the sports kings are just darn interesting...fun to know who was the best at their particular craft in the 30s

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[Buster#1]

I would like to say that i am tired of talking about whats better
Sgc or PSA
My sgc 88 Indian cards are almost perfect easily the best I've seen in that set
Yes better than PSA 8s
My sports kings are mostly psa 8s
And i would say its a tie between my 25 or so psa 8s and 10 sgc 88s
I know zero about other yrs and sets because ive only collected 33 goudeys
Baseball, Indian ,and sports kings at a serious level...yes i have other cards but one here and one there


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[Buster#1]

Grading cards is so subjective
It was pointed out to me when i became serious about collecting that half grades are not a good idea...i have to agree.
Is it a 7 or an 8
Its not a 7.5 in my opinion after thinking about it.
Who the hell knows if its a 7.5...not graders
Its a high 7 or lower 8
All it does is screw people up
Some get rewarded on one side and others get screwed on the other side...doesn't help anyone actually hurts

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[Kenny Cole]

To some degree, I think it may depend on what you plan to do with the card. If it is a purchase to re-sell, PSA is the clear winner. The registry was pure genius. It appeals to ego and elitism, causes you to spend 100X what a card is worth for the "best copy," and then strokes you even more if you do it a lot by giving you an award for, IMO, being so stupid. And, even better, it is a continuous, unending, screw job. New people get sucked in and the cycle continues. Literally the perfect scam. Wish I had thought of it.

Conversely, SGC is, well, SGC. I haven't sent any cards to be graded to either for years, but when I did, it was always SGC. I personally thought that SGC did a better job and since I was having them graded for my personal collection, I wasn't nearly so concerned with all the BS. Nor was the disparity as great then as it is now. When it comes time for me (or more likely my wife) to sell my personal collection, that may well end up being a poor decision financially. But I still think SGC does a better and more consistent job of actually grading the card than PSA does. My $.o2, which is probably not worth even that much.

[brad31]

I am indifferent. Buy cards in both holders and try to buy cards I like for the grade regardless of which one is grading it. I tend to buy about 60/40 PSA because there are more out there.

[ullmandds]

i agree with you 100%!

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

To some degree, I think it may depend on what you plan to do with the card. If it is a purchase to re-sell, PSA is the clear winner. The registry was pure genius. It appeals to ego and elitism, causes you to spend 100X what a card is worth for the "best copy," and then strokes you even more if you do it a lot by giving you an award for, IMO, being so stupid. And, even better, it is a continuous, unending, screw job. New people get sucked in and the cycle continues. Literally the perfect scam. Wish I had thought of it.

Conversely, SGC is, well, SGC. I haven't sent any cards to be graded to either for years, but when I did, it was always SGC. I personally thought that SGC did a better job and since I was having them graded for my personal collection, I wasn't nearly so concerned with all the BS. Nor was the disparity as great then as it is now. When it comes time for me (or more likely my wife) to sell my personal collection, that may well end up being a poor decision financially. But I still think SGC does a better and more consistent job of actually grading the card than PSA does. My $.o2, which is probably not worth even that much.