WW3 Please SAY NO!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Are you denying that Russia is currently waging war on Ukrainian soil?




No, I hate what Putin is doing because, and maybe this is hard for you to understand, I don't think invading countries and killing people by the thousands is acceptable. Nor is it acceptable to do this for the purpose of stealing (annexing) their land. As far as Putin kidnapping Ukrainian children back to Russia, it is the entire world (not just CNN) who has proved that, and therefore issued an arrest warrant against Putin for war crimes against humanity.

Putin has wanted peace? Why did he steal Crimea in 2014 then? Why did he start this war?

Now, to clarify, please answer my previous question. In your world, was it justified for the USA to stop Hitler when he, too, was invading conquering, and killing in Europe?

Holy eff, dude, you have things so screwed up it isn't even funny.
Bringing Hitler into it LOL. Show me where in my other posts I've supported Hitler and not slammed him nor Zelensky and Ukraine for having Azov Nazi's.

Now answer my questions. Did you watch those vids, and do you think the U.S. should just sit idly by if China installed missile basis along the Mex/U.S. border?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

Holy eff, dude, you have things so screwed up it isn't even funny.
Bringing Hitler into it LOL. Show me where in my other posts I've supported Hitler and not slammed him nor Zelensky and Ukraine for having Azov Nazi's.

Now answer my questions. Did you watch those vids, and do you think the U.S. should just sit idly by if China installed missile basis along the Mex/U.S. border?

No, I saw your video was 44 minutes in length, so I spared myself. I don't care about Zelensky. I believe Putin, like Hitler before him, needs to be stopped. The war is the big picture, Zelensky is a side note.

I'm glad you seem to be anti-Hitler. I'll let you try to rationalize away all the similarities between him and what Putin is currently doing, including to his own people who dare speak up against him.

If China installed missile bases in Mexico, I would NOT support the US pre-emptively invading Mexico, stealing (annexing) Mexican land, kidnapping Mexican children, bombing Mexican cities, schools, hospitals, and mining their roads, farm fields, and open areas. I would NOT support the US blowing up Mexican power grid facilities like electric and hydro plants, or torturing their soldiers and civilians.

Is that clear?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

No, I saw your video was 44 minutes in length, so I spared myself. I don't care about Zelensky. I believe Putin, like Hitler before him, needs to be stopped. The war is the big picture, Zelensky is a side note.

I'm glad you seem to be anti-Hitler. I'll let you try to rationalize away all the similarities between him and what Putin is currently doing, including to his own people who dare speak up against him.

If China installed missile bases in Mexico, I would NOT support the US pre-emptively invading Mexico, stealing (annexing) Mexican land, kidnapping Mexican children, bombing Mexican cities, schools, hospitals, and mining their roads, farm fields, and open areas. I would NOT support the US blowing up Mexican power grid facilities like electric and hydro plants, or torturing their soldiers and civilians.

Is that clear?

You're delusional dude. Everything you have mentioned there is straight out of what MSM and your corrupt govt has fed you.
Do yourself a favor, or remain ignorant, your choice, and watch those vids and the one I posted back a bit ago above the latest two.

Your current govt is the most corrupt, crooked and evil party that has ever existed but yet you believe what they are telling you about Ukraine is real and that they are trying their darndest to stop WW3.

Good god, man. Grab a clue.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

You're delusional dude. Everything you have mentioned there is straight out of what MSM and your corrupt govt has fed you.
Do yourself a favor, or remain ignorant, your choice, and watch those vids and the one I posted back a bit ago above the latest two.

Your current govt is the most corrupt, crooked and evil party that has ever existed but yet you believe what they are telling you about Ukraine is real and that they are trying their darndest to stop WW3.

Good god, man. Grab a clue.

You don't trust government or the MSM. I get that. Let's move on.

I am looking at the obvious. One country has invaded another. Their assault is brutal, not limited to military targets, but civilian as well. The entire world (minus Iran, North Korea, China, and a couple other countries) has condemned it. It really is that simple. This is not a hard call.

But you are so wrapped up in your distrust of the MSM that you convolute the obvious into some conspiracy they have cooked up to fool us. Ah, but you are smarter than that! What they say is always false (it clearly frustrates you that you're one of the few who gets that.)

I don't care what the MSM says. Or our government for that matter. You have one country, which has made it clear for some time that they intend to conquer parts of Europe and now they are trying to do it. I hope they fail, so they can't continue bringing war, destruction, and death to other countries.

[G1911]

A classic.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

A classic.

It's been 80 years since someone began rolling armies through Europe, so yes, comparisons to Adolph have heretofore been hyperbole mostly. But now, in Putin, we finally have a valid comparison in both goal and method.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It's been 80 years since someone began rolling armies through Europe, so yes, comparisons to Adolph have heretofore been hyperbole mostly. But now, in Putin, we finally have a valid comparison in both goal and method.

Yes. It's pretty similar in goal and method. Russia is committing genocide. They are going to conquer Europe. The trains are taking millions of victims to camps to be slaughtered. the methods of the Nazi's have returned.

This is so reasonable. How did I not see it before? Clearly anyone who questions this war and policy is a Nazi sympathizer!




Now back in actual reality instead of fantasy bullshit land, I still cannot wrap my head around why the right of people in western Ukraine to choose their own way of living and government is unlimited and worth any price to the rest of the western world, but the people of eastern Ukraine have no such right. Logically they either both do or do not have such a right. My liberalism makes me believe that they do.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes. It's pretty similar in goal and method. Russia is committing genocide. They are going to conquer Europe. The trains are taking millions of victims to camps to be slaughtered. the methods of the Nazi's have returned.

This is so reasonable. How did I not see it before? Clearly anyone who questions this war and policy is a Nazi sympathizer!

Glad you finally see the light. Yes, Russia is intentionally killing civilians (or don't you believe that's happening.... it may have been reported by CNN among 200 other news outlets.) Putin has made clear his goal of re-constituting the USSR, which included satellite states East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania, and that's a big chunk of Europe. I believe the Ukrainians loaded onto trains is far fewer than millions, but the United Nations has an arrest warrant against Putin for his using "forced deportation" against civilians including children.

Don't be too hard on yourself for being slow to recognize the similarities earlier. I'm here to help.

[irv]

That effing Putin!!!!
Imagine the gall of him invading Ukraine unprovoked. He needs to be stopped before he invades all the countries of Europe because he's done that so many times, unlike the U.S. since he's came into power.
https://www.tiktok.com/@ricardo11111..._t=8dexczGo1cZ

Edit: Shocking! They've censored/removed the vid above but it still remains, for now, here.
https://youtu.be/xVCsBB7vFBU?t=5289

[Cliff Bowman]

Talk about a dilemma and a Catch-22, the country that must now be stopped at all costs because they are the reincarnation of Hitler and the Nazis is the same country that was overwhelmingly responsible for the defeat of Hitler and the Nazis. Note the stolen German watches on the Russian officer's wrists in Berlin 1945.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Talk about a dilemma and a Catch-22, the country that must now be stopped at all costs because they are the reincarnation of Hitler and the Nazis is the same country that was overwhelmingly responsible for the defeat of Hitler and the Nazis. Note the stolen German watches on the Russian officer's wrists in Berlin 1945.

Stalin and Adolph both wanted eastern Europe. Stalin won and kept the lands his armies "liberated." That doesn't make Stalin a better guy, or less murderous - he had far stronger allies chewing up the Germans on the other fronts. And I would give more credit to the Russian winter than to the Russian army in winning the eastern front, but you make an interesting point.

The USA was allied WITH Russia in WW1 when others started that war. We were allied WITH Russia in WW2 when other countries invaded Russia. Now we are allied with the rest of Europe against Russia when they are the invaders.

It seems to me, for the past 100+ years, the USA has pretty consistently been on the side of the defenders and against the aggressors in these 3 major European wars.