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Old 11-22-2020, 09:59 AM
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Why didn't Larry Doby have cards in the 1951, 53, or 55 Topps sets?
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1951 and 53 were likely contract issues with Bowman since he is in those year's Bowman sets. 1955 I don't have any idea.
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I think the bigger question is ‘Why are Doby’s cards so underpriced, especially compared to Jackie?’ They came into MLB the same year in their respective leagues. They were both great players, yet Doby’s cards are not priced much above a common.
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I think the bigger question is ‘Why are Doby’s cards so underpriced, especially compared to Jackie?’ They came into MLB the same year in their respective leagues. They were both great players, yet Doby’s cards are not priced much above a common.
Jackie was officially the first though then came Doby. Jackie in the NL and Doby in the AL.

From what I have seen lately, decent looking Doby cards have been receiving a premium, at least with his 52 Topps cards. I purchased mine back in 2016 I believe, and have seen a fairly decent increase in the last year or 2. Not Jackie type increases mind you but his card definitely sells for more than a common.
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I think the bigger question is ‘Why are Doby’s cards so underpriced, especially compared to Jackie?’ They came into MLB the same year in their respective leagues. They were both great players, yet Doby’s cards are not priced much above a common.
Doby was 2nd; Jackie was first. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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My thoughts exactly. Nobody remembers second (place).
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Doby was 2nd; Jackie was first. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
...and dancing.
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Well, Tenzing Norgay (the Babe Ruth of sherpas) was there with 'Eddie,' so who knows which of them actually summited first??
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Why didn't Larry Doby have cards in the 1951, 53, or 55 Topps sets?
Doby is in the 1951 Topps Major League All-Stars set. Granted, not a very popular or well-known set, but there it is...

I vaguely recall reading an article by long-time Cleveland sportswriter Hal Lebowitz back in the '80's that claimed Bill Veeck wanted to bring Larry up to the Indians when the team went north from spring training in '47. But, Veeck may have deferred to Branch Rickey's desire to have the public spotlight on Robinson, since he was to play in a much larger market. So, the nonsensical argument about second place versus first place seems kind of pointless.
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Maybe not well known but from my standpoint the best of the 5 Toops 1951 sets
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There is that Dodgers vs Indians factor too. Wouldn't explain it all, but partially.
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Are the All-Star set and the Connie Mack All Stars a subset of the same set?

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Doby is in the 1951 Topps Major League All-Stars set. Granted, not a very popular or well-known set, but there it is...

I vaguely recall reading an article by long-time Cleveland sportswriter Hal Lebowitz back in the '80's that claimed Bill Veeck wanted to bring Larry up to the Indians when the team went north from spring training in '47. But, Veeck may have deferred to Branch Rickey's desire to have the public spotlight on Robinson, since he was to play in a much larger market. So, the nonsensical argument about second place versus first place seems kind of pointless.

Yes, but that set is very hard to find particularly with the backing intact. That Doby would be quite a find for a collector of his cards.

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Are the All-Star set and the Connie Mack All Stars a subset of the same set?

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No, they were separate sets. The All-Star set is very hard to find. Somewhere there should be an article online about the set.

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I have all five of the 1951 Topps sets, minus the 3 unissued Current All Stars, Roberts, Stankey and Constanty. They were not issued at retail and only a couple examples of each exist. In my experience the Current All Stars were the toughest of the 51s to assemble in unseparated complete format. The Connie Macks were the next toughest. It is also tough to assemble both versions of the 9 Team cards ( date or no date). The Blue backs are a little tougher than the Reds.
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...and used the money to purchase my first running car.
Did anyone else picture the Fred Flintstone mobile when "running car" was mentioned? No? Okay, I'm the odd one.
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Did anyone else picture the Fred Flintstone mobile when "running car" was mentioned? No? Okay, I'm the odd one.
Let me explain, my first car was a 1959 Chevy Impala Sport Coupe. I bought it with stars in my eyes (it needed a ton of work) just before my 18th birthday, even before I had my license. I was not allowed to drive it and eventually, the car wouldn't start and I ended up selling it when I got my first running car that I drove-a 1970 Mercury Marquis sedan for the princely sum of $650 in June of 1980. It used oil and after an accident that damaged the driver side doors, I sold it that December for $400. In hindsight, having a car was more important than the Berra at the time, it wasn't until later that I learned how unique that card is. Admittedly, I drove some cars until my late 20s that weren't too far removed from the Flintstone mobile, the difference being mine had a motor and brakes, in other words, "buckets."
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I vaguely recall reading an article by long-time Cleveland sportswriter Hal Lebowitz back in the '80's that claimed Bill Veeck wanted to bring Larry up to the Indians when the team went north from spring training in '47. But, Veeck may have deferred to Branch Rickey's desire to have the public spotlight on Robinson, since he was to play in a much larger market. So, the nonsensical argument about second place versus first place seems kind of pointless.
But there are the movies and tv shows, the retirement of #42 across the majors, etc. Ask a non-fan of baseball to name a player and you are probably going to hear Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson, maybe Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente or Lou Gehrig. JR has transcended the game itself. Doby, not.

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JR has transcended the game itself. Doby, not.
But I do believe that if Doby would have been first, and Jackie a few months behind him, that we would be talking about Doby and Jackie would be the footnote. Nothing against Jackie, just that 'first' matters. 'Second', not so much.
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But I do believe that if Doby would have been first, and Jackie a few months behind him, that we would be talking about Doby and Jackie would be the footnote. Nothing against Jackie, just that 'first' matters. 'Second', not so much.
Ya know, Tom, I have to disagree. My speculative opinion is that, even if Veeck had been allowed to bring Doby up at the same time as Rickey elevated Robinson - or even if Doby had debuted with the Indians a day before Jackie had with the Dodgers, the national dominance of New York marketing would have put Larry on page two of the sports section as a one graph note from the hinterland, while page one would have been splashed with pics and stories of Jackie's much more significant appearance in New York. And, the relative importance of each player's breakthrough would have remained in Robinson's favor because of the market he enjoyed. I think the greatly unappreciated value of Doby's cards today compared to Robinson's, given their similar career stats, informs that possibility.

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I think the bigger question is ‘Why are Doby’s cards so underpriced, especially compared to Jackie?’ They came into MLB the same year in their respective leagues. They were both great players, yet Doby’s cards are not priced much above a common.
Because he wasn’t as good as Jackie Robinson.
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Because he wasn’t as good as Jackie Robinson.
Their career stats might tell a different story.
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Their career stats might tell a different story.

Jackie Robinson: 10 year career 61.7 WAR
Larry Doby: 13 year career 49.3 WAR

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In 1947, Larry had only 32 At Bats. The following year when Satchell Paige joined the Indians, Doby played in 121 games (BA = .301).
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I picked this one up recently, and have always loved the balanced shot. Topps did a great job with the layout...

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This just got posted in the ugly card thread but his 1949 R302-2 M.P & CO. is real ugly

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This just got posted in the ugly card thread but his 1949 R302-2 M.P & CO. is real ugly
True, but all the cards in that set are pretty ugly. All of his other cards are nice though.
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