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Old 11-18-2020, 11:18 PM
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Does this Walter Johnson autograph look good?



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Authentic Steve
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Does this Walter Johnson autograph look good?



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I'm wondering if the "1907-1927" might be in his hand, also. There's an unusual amount of separation between his signature and the date, but it looks similar to his numbers to me. If so, I don't remember seeing a signature followed by his pitching years, but it might have been requested by Mr. Gorman.
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Thank you all for your thoughts.

The cover was auctioned this morning, and I got it at the opening bid

Hank, I was thinking the same thing on the dates.

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Thank you all for your thoughts.

The cover was auctioned this morning, and I got it at the opening bid

Hank, I was thinking the same thing on the dates.

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Congrats on your win! Hank is correct, the dates look to be written by Walter.
Here is an example of more WaJo handwriting complete with dates
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Congratulations on a nice snag. While I would never ever challenge Hank on Walter Johnson's autograph (or almost anything else). I just wanted to put a reminder out there that a lot of people have forgotten and some new collectors have never heard of but in the late 1980s, the hobby was flooded with "signed" Hall of Fame envelopes and black and white Hall of Fame plaques that its believed came from two different sources. They were pretty good fakes and still turn up from time to time, there were literally hundreds and hundreds of them. So be careful with anything but especially with those signed mediums mentioned above. I can be reached at the e-mail below
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Congratulations on a nice snag. While I would never ever challenge Hank on Walter Johnson's autograph (or almost anything else). I just wanted to put a reminder out there that a lot of people have forgotten and some new collectors have never heard of but in the late 1980s, the hobby was flooded with "signed" Hall of Fame envelopes and black and white Hall of Fame plaques that its believed came from two different sources. They were pretty good fakes and still turn up from time to time, there were literally hundreds and hundreds of them. So be careful with anything but especially with those signed mediums mentioned above. I can be reached at the e-mail below
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And I have always, and will always, defer to the real autograph pros like yourself, Jim, or Kevin, or Bill, or Richard, or Rich, etc., when it comes to my grandfather or anybody else. Having seen such a variety of his signatures that I knew to be good, and not being an expert in autography (?), I am reluctant to pass judgement on all but the most obvious forgeries, and if pressed, will always preface my decision with "If I had to guess one way or the other..." In this instance, you'll notice I didn't address the autograph itself, but rather noted that the numbers struck me as similar to others of his I have seen. It would be natural to see that as bolstering the case for the authenticity of the whole, but on the other hand, I suppose that if these forgery artists can simulate a really good WaJo, replicating his numerals wouldn't seem to be that great a challenge. I am curious: what do you think of this piece, Jim?
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It is interesting as i think the auto and the numbers look like they were in the same hand, imo authentic, but the "Washington Senators" part seems to be in a different hand.
I wonder if the person wrote the team name first and the Johnson sugned above it and added the numbers below.

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It is interesting as i think the auto and the numbers look like they were in the same hand, imo authentic, but the "Washington Senators" part seems to be in a different hand.
I wonder if the person wrote the team name first and the Johnson sugned above it and added the numbers below.

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I think you've got it. He mailed it to Walter with the team name already written. I'm guessing he asked Walter to include the playing years, and the only place to put it was below that.
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My first thought upon seeing this is that there appears to be 2 different inks used . The Walter Johnson and the dates appear to me to be the same ink type and in the same hand but the Washington Senators ink seems to be a different type and hue of blue and written in a different hand.
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I think its same ink and all done in Walter's hand. I do agree the Washington Senators appears a bit darker, but I believe that is because he signed his name faster because he is used to signing his name more so than writing Washington Senators. Dates appear to be same shade etc as signature.
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Hank, My opinion is that all of the Walter Johnson autographs on this page are good. I lean in the direction of what others have posted that the team name is possibly in another hand and that the dates are in W.J. hand although I would not completely rule out the possibility that he wrote the team name also. He wrote a lot of handwritten letters and a quick review of the handwriting on some of those should close the case. Since the slant appears the same.
Also to clarify the fake HOF envelopes I've seen have never included anything except a signature.
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Was able to find this one online. The "Washington Senators looks pretty darn close.
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And....even more, unusual is note the difference in the "S" in Senators and the 2nd "S" in Sept. written seconds later. Same person completely different.
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Have had this note for a while. Everything looks fine then slight change in the "Washington" and even more so in the "Ball Club". This thread has become quite interesting and informative.
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Hugh, Look at the separation in yours between the "g" and "t" in Washington. It's the same in the top one. Also, the capital "W"'s are all shaped like grandma's knockers.
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“Grandma’s knockers”.
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Damn Jim, I just spit up my corn flakes all over the computer. Grandma's Knockers? LMAO
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Lol. Grandma's knockers...
Let me say it again, but it is good to have you back.

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