1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 5 that recently sold on PWCC Premiere Auctions....

[bobbyw8469]

....sold for "only" $20k with no buyer's premium. I watch that card a little bit due to its historic rise and the fact that I used to own a '6'. That is a low price as of late. Is that due to the market declining, PWCC declining, or a little of both?? The same card sold less than a week ago from REA for over $44k.

[sportscardpete]

The PWCC auction had some fascinating results on the modern side (Brady auto rooke, unnumbered, for $2.8 mn?!). I thought the Robinson was inline with other ebay sales of that quality. The one in REA is just a much, much nicer example than the "5" holder it was in. The PWCC card was steps below that one.

[hcv123]

I have seen a number of " steals" from auctions. I don't know the one you are talking about specifically and could be a significant condition difference despite the grade, but could also be what you mentioned re: the card not being seen by Ebay buyers or the card not being seen by all buyers in the market for that card.

[mrreality68]

"Things That Make You Go Hmmm..."

[samosa4u]

https://premierauction.pwccmarketpla...er-auction/295

Well, it's not a very attractive example. The registration is pretty messed up.

I do see some strong sales though. A PSA 5 Bowman Mantle sold for $38,400 and a Topps Mantle in PSA 1 hit $40,800!

[3-2-count]

The PWCC example was a horrid looking 5. Its not in the same class as the REA example which recently ended.

Two totally different cards in my opinion no mater what the flip reads.

[yanks87]

It's a market I watch as well as I own a 4. I think there are a couple of factors contributing to the softening online sales. I think the fevered pitch buying with crazy prices is coming down to earth is due to a fairly finite pool that are willing to pay big money for that card. Population wise, it sits around 1,275 graded, so not widely available, but not super rare either. PWCC tanked the market in the spring when they had 3 PSA 4's in the same sale, closing at the same time. It made no sense to me, but it definitely brought prices down. What you are left with is folks who are looking for well centered, well registered examples, which in the leaf world are tough to come by. So for those looking to buy, not concerned about he eye appeal, it's probably a great time to grab the card. Those looking for pristine examples, will pay closer to the bar that was set in the summer, as a smaller number of those are available, and folks seem willing to pay up to get them. All that said, I did talk to a dealer at the National who said that he had sold a PSA 2.5 on the first day for $26k cash. Without seeing the card, I don't know if my theory holds water or not.My two cents, and WAY out of my piggy bank.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

The PWCC example was a horrid looking 5. Its not in the same class as the REA example which recently ended.

Two totally different cards in my opinion no mater what the flip reads.

I agree


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[tedzan]

I could not let this thread slip into the 2nd page, where it would fade away into "never-never land". So, here is my "2 cents" on this subject.
Funny I said that, since as a 10-year old, I spent 2 pennies on this JRobby (and a 2nd one) in the Spring of 1949.

What is going on in this hobby nowadays with these crazy prices for certain cards, which just a year (or two) ago were selling for reasonable
prices, is absolutely mind-boggling.

I feel that in the long term, this forebodes misfortune....to the degree that may devastate this hobby as we now know it.

TED Z

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[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by tedzan

What is going on in this hobby nowadays with these crazy prices for certain cards, which just a year (or two) ago were selling for reasonableprices, is absolutely mind-boggling.

I feel that in the long term, this forebodes misfortune....to the degree that may devastate this hobby as we now know it.

The hobby overcame the junk wax boom and fallout (and that was when it was just starting to gain mainstream traction, and before online marketplaces to support it and spur more consistent interest).

So even though current prices may not hold quite this high, I'd like to be optimistic for the long-term!

[MattyC]

As a collector I want prices to get way down from these levels. Happy to have my cards worth a fraction of what they allegedly are now, if I could acquire cards at the same low prices. If we don't want to sell, then all we get from higher prices is higher cost to us collectors.

[Snowman]

I saw that same card and passed on it. I'm looking for a nice 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson to replace the one I have currently. That card was grossly overgraded. It probably wouldn't get higher than a 3 if cracked and resubmitted today because of the registration issues. I have a 52 Bowman Mantle that was recenty graded as a PSA 2.5 and SGC 3 with similar registration that otherwise looks like a 6. They've gotten much more strict with registration lately. And kudos to them for doing so. Registration issues are a major eye sore IMO.

[bobbyw8469]

Whenever one goes that low , especially considering the current climate for anything Jackie, I am sure they are 2nd guessing themselves. A consignment to Goldin looks like a better alternative after the fact.

PS - Nice Jackie Ted!

[Republicaninmass]

Ugliest card of Jackie IMO. But hey whats eye appeal anyways when it's his RC

[tedzan]

As most of us know, here are Jackie's first two cards (in a Dodgers uniform) which preceded his 1949 LEAF card.
So, why is the 1949 LEAF card still referred to as his "rookie card" ?



1947 BOND BREAD

The 1947 BOND BREAD issue was nationally distributed from the East coast to St. Louis.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Republicaninmass]

C'mon Ted! You know postcards and regionals were the red headed step son of the hobby for ...well since it was a hobby! Always "gum cards" were touted as the rookies until the last decade at most

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

C'mon Ted! You know postcards and regionals were the red headed step son of the hobby for ...well since it was a hobby! Always "gum cards" were touted as the rookies until the last decade at most

Hi Ted.....please don't misconstrue my comments.....I, in no-way, meant to be critical.

It's amazing how (in the pre-war era and the post-war era) the inconsistencies in this hobby regarding "rookie" cards. Best example is the 1951 BOWMAN vs the 1952 TOPPS Mantle.
As a kid in the Fall of 1951, I acquired Mantle's 1st BOWMAN card. In the Fall of 1952, I acquired Mantle's 1st TOPPS card. I got back into this hobby in 1977, the hobby then claimed
Mantle's "rookie" card was the 1952 TOPPS card. I did not understand

Incidentally, speaking about GUM cards, Jackie's 1st gum card is not the 1949 LEAF card, but the 1948 SWELL GUM card.

Perhaps, I should break-up my SWELL GUM set and sell this JRobby. On ebay, they are asking "crazy" $$$$$ for it





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Republicaninmass]

Omg the swell gum! Now it HAS to be a mainstream gum card..or tobacco, or candy.

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[3-2-count]

Honestly, aren't most 48 Leaf cards fugly in appearance?

It's not just Jackie. The set as a whole is pretty bland IMO.