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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
If any of the caramel card collectors can give their opinions, I would like to know...with the more common caramel sets (ex. e93) what is your estimate of the number of existing cards for any card in the set? For example, how many e93 Ty Cobb cards exist? |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: barrysloate
I can't tell you how many of each are left, but there are less E94 than E98; less E98 than E93; and more E95 than all the rest. Exact numbers escape me. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
Thanks Barry...anyone else care to take a stab? |
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Posted By: Richard
Caramelcard.com does a decent job, but perhaps an updated ranking is in order. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Scot Reader
Mike, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
Let's limit the discussion to 6 sets |
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Posted By: robert a
I'm gonna try to complicate this discussion as much as I can. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Richard
Robert - |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: robert a
There's a semi-obvious reason why some of these candy issues are more uncommon than others. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: quan
robert, |
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Posted By: JimB
Having collected all four sets that Barry mentioned (E93, E94, E95, and E98), I agree with his order of relative scarcity. From toughest to easiest: E94, E98, E93, E95. I would throw E96 and E97 in between E94 and E98. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Richard
I don't know if E103s are scarcer than E94's, but over the last year I have seen E103s coming out of the woodworks due to the high prices they are fetching. I have seen far more E103 Cobbs and Wagners than E94s. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
JimB, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Richard
I'll take a stab at the scarcity order. Throwing out the short prints and double prints, if you take your average single card availability in any given set: |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: JK
I know this info has probably been discussed, probably in Scot's t206 book (just too lazy to check) but how many t206 HOFers are there by comparison to the e cards? Is jim b's estimate correct - approx. by my math, anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 of each? |
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Posted By: JK
Richard - I know the only reason you are labeling the e93s as the easiest is because you are secretly plotting the demise of my e93 set |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Scot Reader
Robert, |
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Posted By: JK
Thanks Scot. Also, I will note that in rereading Jim B's post, he didnt state that there were 100 to 200 t206s for each e94, he only stated that they were 100x to 200x easier to find (which really speaks more to the frequency that they become available for sale etc, not to the numbers). |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: robert a
Scot, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: JimB
Josh, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: JK
Hey Jim, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Bob
Jim- I think you are more correct than you know when comparing red portrait Cobbs to E94 Cobbs on ebay. I think you can even triple your figure of T206 red Cobbs to any color E94 Cobbs and be closer to the exact figure. In a whole year there MIGHT be one E94 Cobb on ebay. The last one I remember was over a year ago and it was a really low grade, severely creased and ragged violet I believe. I know Quan picked up a violet, a nice mid grade one for a bunch in an off-ebay (Net54?) transaction, but that's all I can remember on ebay. |
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Posted By: Dylan
I think its pretty safe to say there are more T206 Cobbs at almost any given time on ebay then there are E1-card Cobbs combined. Right now theres (including store listings) |
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Posted By: fkw
4,000 examples of a common T206 would = roughly 2 million T206 cards out there. I think that is high. Ive always heard estimates of about 2,000 of ea. T206 common (1 million total cards), but no one really knows. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Richard
Frank - |
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Posted By: fkw
E94 is a different story, As far as numbers, they should not be compared to E90-1, E92, E93, E95, E96, E98. They should be compared to E90-2, E90-3, E104, E105, E106, T209, T213-3, T216, D303, D304, etc. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Richard
"Some have said they think there are 50-250 of a certain player for some E sets, but I believe there are far more of each player because the sets are so small. For example if there are 250 of a certain E95 card that would only be 6,250 total E95s out there. If there are 4,000 of a certain T206 card, thats would be 2,000,000 total cards. There is no way a E95 is 300+ times rarer than the same player in a T206 set. That would be like seeing 300 T206 (red) Cobbs for every E95 Cobb. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Posted By: Matt
just an aside: correct me if my memory is poor, but i remember seeing more of the "tough" caramels a few years ago on ebay...before the caramels were hot...certainly not in T206 quantity...but more than today...i wouldn't necessarily judge absolute scarcity by present day ebay trends....too bad you can't search ebay in "years" |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Two ideas, |
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Posted By: Peter Thomas
I am quite sure the number of graded E cards is considerably overstated. In the last year I have crossed over all of my PSA ecards except E93's and E103's. The crossed cards have been about 200 and I am quite sure they are still on PSA pop reports. I will cross my E93 set at national when I can discuss it in person with SGC. I will also discuss my E103 set then, but this is less critical to me since PSA has a holder that fits these cards. I think others have done the same thing. |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: Scot Reader
Robert, |
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Caramel card scarcity
Posted By: robert a
Scot, |
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Posted By: fkw
Richard, its easy. It all based on how many cards are in the set. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
But is it possible that Cobb was issued in greater number because of his popularity? I always wondered how savvy marketing was back then. |
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Posted By: Bob
The question was posed why it seems that there were more caramel cards, especialy of the tougher cards a few years ago then now. I think more collectors have turned to the caramel cards and cards are going in to collections rather than being flipped. I remember also that the very same caramel cards (E93, E94, E95, E96, E97 and especially E98) were being bought and sold (flipped) quite often. I owned a number of E98s which I saw later flipped and then flipped again but you don't see that very often now. As the caramels have become scarcer and scarcer, the cards in even lower grade are simply not changing hands anymore like they used to... |
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